part3 Batak kepala Batu

Marcello Tahitoe (aka Ello) > half “Wah telat, emang udah jam Silaban sih”. Maka
Siboru-boru dia masuk ke ruangan sambil
menyanyi-nyanyi. Di-Tigor-lah dia sama gurunya
“Butet, kau jangan ribut!, bikin kacau konsentrasi
temanmu!”

Butet, dengan tanpa Malau-malau langsung Sijabat
tangan gurunya, “Nggak Pakpahan guru,
sekali-sekali?!”.

Akhirnya, luluslah Butet dan menjadi orang yang
disegani karena mengikuti wejangan guru Pandapotan
silatnya untuk selalu, “Simanjuntak gentar,
Sinambela yang benar!”

e_vaholic
^wow…you mention all margas?? (all??)
well,, at least all my bataks’ friend marga are there…
peculiar-alien
no, my marga is not there…
jiwa
@ peculiar-alien,

How come there’s no Simandjuntak in that marga list? i’ve been told by my family that simanjuntak is not the same. Im confused:S

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e_vaholic
^what do you mean with not the same?
peculiar-alien
i think its the same…only the literary that differs them…Simandjuntak use old pattern before EYD….maybe other members can explain it?
e_vaholic
^ooooh….i thot marga simandjuntak has problem with other marga…so it make simandjuntak different fromthe rest margas..
peculiar-alien
ofcourse not…u “suudhon”
jiwa

QUOTE(peculiar-alien @ Mar 11 2007, 11:07 PM) *

i think its the same…only the literary that differs

them…Simandjuntak use old pattern before EYD….

man you are right! beerchug.gif
Just verified it with my uncle and he said that in the present day they use Simanjuntak without the D after the war.
I also made the mistake that i thought we came from toba, but it should be Karo. icon_redface.gif
What’s new, i’m just learning stuff about my roots. Very informative reads in this topic.

peculiar-alien

QUOTE(jiwa @ Mar 13 2007, 10:59 AM) *

man you are right! beerchug.gif
Just verified it with my uncle and he said that in the present day they use Simanjuntak without the D after the war.
I also made the mistake that i thought we came from toba, but it should be Karo. icon_redface.gif
What’s new, i’m just learning stuff about my roots. Very informative reads in this topic.

whats your marga? im from Karo too….as i know, Simanjuntak is Batak Toba marga….

jiwa
Hmm, My uncle said that he was in Karo last year visiting family.
My grandfather was born in simalungun.

My grandfather’s name is Akub->Son of ompu Sihombil->Son of ompu Paruma->Son of ompu Raja Diam->Son of ompu Bona Niari->?->? Simandjuntak.

My grandfather Akub had 2 brothers: Ompu humbil and Ompu marihat. One of them should still be living there.
Ever heard of them maybe?

peculiar-alien
wow…thats confusing me…i dont even know my granparents name…xixixixi….u surprising me by giving ur ancestors name, wow!!

if ur marga is Simanjuntak…then u r not Batak Karo…Batak toba if im not mistaken….they maybe live inTanah Karo in previous days but it didnt make them as Batak Karo……

furansizuka
^ Karo people even don’t wanna be called as Batak. They think it’s degrading their culture.
Bhaskara
I’m surprised a Batak like u didn’t know that Batak people are exogamous, they even teach that in Indonesian Schools!

Anyway, it’s so confusing that u claim u r a Toba when u have a Karo clan and originated in Simalungun embarassedlaugh.gif

jiwa

QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Mar 14 2007, 03:43 AM) *

I’m surprised a Batak like u didn’t know that Batak people are exogamous, they even teach that in Indonesian Schools!

Anyway, it’s so confusing that u claim u r a Toba when u have a Karo clan and originated in Simalungun embarassedlaugh.gif

I’m living in the Netherlands and interested in my roots and indonesia. Hoping to find out more from the source.

QUOTE(peculiar-alien @ Mar 13 2007, 10:43 PM) *

If ur marga is Simanjuntak…then u r not Batak Karo…Batak toba if im not mistaken….they maybe live inTanah Karo in previous days but it didnt make them as Batak Karo……

We have a family tree on paper that goes 9 generations back.
Thanks for the info! That´s what i also thought @first that Simandjuntak is originating Toba. Appearantly i misunderstood what was told to me.
I’m going to visit my uncle this weekend and discuss this. maybe it clears a lotta things up.

@furansizuka,

Yes i’ve heard that certain people in the coast area gave the name Batak( meant to be insulting ) to the highland tribes of south-east Asia. icon_neutral.gif

Bhaskara
It’s a good thing icon_smile.gif
There are some Batak people here, and I’m sure they are more than willing to help u out icon_wink.gif
furansizuka

QUOTE(jiwa @ Mar 14 2007, 08:10 AM) *

@furansizuka,

Yes i’ve heard that certain people in the coast area gave the name Batak( meant to be insulting ) to the highland tribes of south-east Asia. icon_neutral.gif


No..it’s the other way round. Karo people live in highland (Tanah Tinggi Karo, northern part of Sumatra), while Batak Toba clan live in down under (southern part, around Lake Toba). The Toba clan migrate to the highland of Karo clan, they’re being hated by Karonese because they do bad things (though not all Batak Toba are like that) like bribing, cheating, and talking rude in Karo land.

Apart from that, the history of Karo ethnic note that Karo people was actually derived from Gayo ethnic of Aceh who migrated to North Sumatra. They almost have the same language, and so different from other Batak languages.

jiwa

QUOTE(furansizuka @ Mar 15 2007, 12:13 AM) *

No..it’s the other way round. Karo people live in highland (Tanah Tinggi Karo, northern part of Sumatra), while Batak Toba clan live in down under (southern part, around Lake Toba). The Toba clan migrate to the highland of Karo clan, they’re being hated by Karonese because they do bad things (though not all Batak Toba are like that) like bribing, cheating, and talking rude in Karo land.

Apart from that, the history of Karo ethnic note that Karo people was actually derived from Gayo ethnic of Aceh who migrated to North Sumatra. They almost have the same language, and so different from other Batak languages.

Loh.. icon_sad.gif i hope that it’s not going out of hand..
Since Batak are exogamous, shouldn’t we all be mixed up together somehow, since batak men have to marry women from other marga?

Btw, i’ve read that Bataks ‘probably’ derived from the Philippines and Borneo. They moved to the highlands some 4 to 3000 years ago. ( Source: dutch wikipedia ).

furansizuka
^ It’s not as bad as you imagine, jiwa. The 2 ethnics live side by side in peace and harmony, but somehow Karo people think they’re more civilized than Toba people. Same as Javanese thinks they’re more civilized than Bataknese biggrin.gif I guess.

But I think Karo people shud see the positive side of Batak’s upbringing. They’re hardworker, strugglers, never give up easily. That’s why many Bataknese become famous people in Indonesia, while only a few Karoneses stand out. Even when a Karonese reaches a great accomplishement, barely people will notice it coz Karonese tend to low profile.

purnomor
My Batak Toba friends say very few of them intermarried with other ethnicities, they have very strict rules so they can only have spouses from certain desirable clans.
singapak2
^^ from what i heard Batak people are goodlooking, stong features.

and their family name is Tobing.

e_vaholic
^they have many family names,,not just tobing singa!!
batak has surnames, while most Indonesians don’t
lostnexposed

QUOTE(purnomor @ Mar 24 2007, 02:35 PM) *

My Batak Toba friends say very few of them intermarried with other ethnicities, they have very strict rules so they can only have spouses from certain desirable clans.

yeah..i remember my mom saying something about this to me….that if i was ever to marry a Batak, there are certain people Im not allow to marry cause its not allowed, or that person is my “cousin” from my blablablabla……or sometimes its because the families don’t lie each other n have an ongoing arguments(((very Romeo and Juliet))).

but surprisingly…I know alot of Bataks who intermarry with other ethnicities. But when I visited Tarutung during the holidays in December, I was surprised to find out that people there are no longer “old fashioned”. they are pretty modern in their thinking….and they were okay with people marrying into another culture. But then again…it might just be them that are okay with it. other bataks might not be.

However, when a Batak person marries a person of another ethincity…they are suppose to get a batak family to so-called “adopt” this person so that this person can have a batak family. they then have to pay the batak family alot of money n stuff.

this is what my mom told me and what Ive seen and heard…

peculiar-alien

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Mar 25 2007, 09:28 AM) *

yeah..i remember my mom saying something about this to me….that if i was ever to marry a Batak, there are certain people Im not allow to marry cause its not allowed, or that person is my “cousin” from my blablablabla……or sometimes its because the families don’t lie each other n have an ongoing arguments(((very Romeo and Juliet))).

but surprisingly…I know alot of Bataks who intermarry with other ethnicities. But when I visited Tarutung during the holidays in December, I was surprised to find out that people there are no longer “old fashioned”. they are pretty modern in their thinking….and they were okay with people marrying into another culture. But then again…it might just be them that are okay with it. other bataks might not be.

However, when a Batak person marries a person of another ethincity…they are suppose to get a batak family to so-called “adopt” this person so that this person can have a batak family. they then have to pay the batak family alot of money n stuff.

this is what my mom told me and what Ive seen and heard…

its only applied in Tapanuli and some families who still adopt that culture…but it rarely happens in big city…

Betong
Did Nasution also Batak surname. I realized many people in Malaysia have this surname??? And also people with Rawa surname…
peculiar-alien

QUOTE(Betong @ Mar 26 2007, 02:17 AM) *

Did Nasution also Batak surname. I realized many people in Malaysia have this surname??? And also people with Rawa surname…

Nasution is batak surname (South tapanuli)….i know some Malys who has that surname too..if im not mustaken one of the Raihan’s ex-member has that surname..i dont think rawa is batak surname

Betong

QUOTE(peculiar-alien @ Mar 26 2007, 02:22 AM) *

Nasution is batak surname (South tapanuli)….i know some Malys who has that surname too..if im not mustaken one of the Raihan’s ex-member has that surname..i dont think rawa is batak surname


Thanx. I dunno about Raihan’s ex member has that surname…..
Most of people who have Nasution surname came from Perak or Kedah who have very close relationship with Sumatera Utara and Aceh.
About Rawa, maybe it means Melayu people from Rawa, but people used it as surname confused.gif . Did you have place name Rawa in Sumatera???

peculiar-alien

QUOTE(Betong @ Mar 26 2007, 02:33 AM) *

Thanx. I dunno about Raihan’s ex member has that surname…..
Most of people who have Nasution surname came from Perak or Kedah who have very close relationship with Sumatera Utara and Aceh.
About Rawa, maybe it means Melayu people from Rawa, but people used it as surname confused.gif . Did you have place name Rawa in Sumatera???


never heard about that b4….

Bhaskara
I think someone in this forum has posted Batak Surnames here in this thread, I forgot which page…as “Rawa” means “paya-paya” in Malay, maybe they used to lives in the swamps back in Sumatera? Kinda like swamp thing biggrin.gif

My dear friend has a Batak for a father and a Chinese for a mother. These two ethnicities are famous in Indonesia for their tendency to keep their marriages to their own kind.

Imagine the situation that these two lovebirds had to go thru…. let me give u an illustration: a lot of yelling, crying and fainting. biggrin.gif Well, maybe not that dramatic. But there was absolutely a fainting occurred in the wedding day, if I’m not mistaken icon_wink.gif

Betong
Married with their own kind was good, Bhakso. People in my places do it all the times. Nothing bad came out from it. biggrin.gif
Bhaskara
You are so racist…. it’s the 21st century, dude. To think there are still people like u….
peculiar-alien

QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Mar 26 2007, 02:41 AM) *

You are so racist…. it’s the 21st century, dude. To think there are still people like u….

y u think he’s racist?..he just described the situation in his neighborhood….

Betong

QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Mar 26 2007, 02:41 AM) *

You are so racist…. it’s the 21st century, dude. To think there are still people like u….


But I don’t say that married with other races was bad action dude. biggrin.gif It their call…

Bhaskara
Oh, okay then
Betong

QUOTE(peculiar-alien @ Mar 26 2007, 02:35 AM) *

never heard about that b4….


Maybe I mistaken about that Rawa thing bro. Just read in newspaper that Rawa actually refer to people originated from Roa or Rawa, live in present day Kabupaten Pasaman, Sumatera Barat. But they claimed they didn’t either Maindailing or Minangkabau people and some of them use Rawa as their surname. confused.gif

Bhaskara
That’s weird. I thought people of Kecamatan Rao are either Minangkabau or Batak Mandailing?
Betong

QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Mar 26 2007, 03:33 AM) *

That’s weird. I thought people of Kecamatan Rao are either Minangkabau or Batak Mandailing?


I also thought they are MandailingMinang too… Maybe that author were wrong or you wrong Bhakso laugh.gif

batakman
Hi Guys….whassssuppp :-)
i’m new member on this forum..
and interested to this topic oso. ;-)
batakman

QUOTE(jiwa @ Mar 14 2007, 09:35 AM) *

Hmm, My uncle said that he was in Karo last year visiting family.
My grandfather was born in simalungun.

My grandfather’s name is Akub->Son of ompu Sihombil->Son of ompu Paruma->Son of ompu Raja Diam->Son of ompu Bona Niari->?->? Simandjuntak.

My grandfather Akub had 2 brothers: Ompu humbil and Ompu marihat. One of them should still be living there.
Ever heard of them maybe?

Hi Jiwa,

Tarombo
Yes, everyone in batak clan have they own family tree, people called it “tarombo” .
Ussualy tarombo book, started from your first ancestor, example: Raja Marsudung Simanjuntak, he was the 6th generation from Si Raja batak. and tarombo marga simanjuntak started from Raja Marsudung go down untill you, let say your number is 20 (20th generation from Raja Simanjuntak).

***

Partuturan
When i meet other peoples which is same ‘marga’ with me, we will refer to our number according to the tarombo book.
one of tarombo book’s function is for tracing our genealogical, and also to determine our partuturan. Partuturan mean genealogical realtionship terminology. example: you and me is simanjuntak, mine is 19th and yours is 20th, mine is older than you. you must call me “Bapa uda” – Younger brother’s father’s.

we continue later..ok
time to sleep :-(

jiwa
^That’s very interesting feed Batakman! Didn’t know Simanjuntak was from 6th generation < Si Raja Batak.
Btw Horas and welcome to AF. Hope you’ll have alot of fun here beerchug.gif

Also, forgot to mention, i saw the vacation video from my uncle in Toba and i was wrong. My Grandfather was indeed born in Toba. So peculiar was indeed right that juntak’s originate from Toba biggthumpup.gif

Najjiah
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omg…

IPB Image <<<< HOT! love2.gif love2.gif love2.gif

lostnexposed
I know i call my uncles “Tulang”, unmarried aunties younger than my parents i call them “Inangbaju”, if they’re married I call them “Inangboru” Grandparents are called “Opung”…actually..are we suppose to use “Opung” for all elders?!?! cause I just realised that I always call old people “Opung” and theres like so many other names….it gets confusing…I always have to ask my mom or whoever is with me what am i suppose to address the person Im talking to as. Even my mom gets confused with it too!
anyone else does this??
someone enlighten me….haha..
Bhaskara
@Najjiah: Couldn’t see ur pic. Is it a batak?

hi batakman and lostnexposed!! What sub-ethnicity of Batak are you guys?

indonesian
Hi all….

lagu batak apa sekarang yang lagi hit ?? (lagu yang baru)

peculiar-alien

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Mar 28 2007, 08:36 PM) *

I know i call my uncles “Tulang”, unmarried aunties younger than my parents i call them “Inangbaju”, if they’re married I call them “Inangboru” Grandparents are called “Opung”…actually..are we suppose to use “Opung” for all elders?!?! cause I just realised that I always call old people “Opung” and theres like so many other names….it gets confusing…I always have to ask my mom or whoever is with me what am i suppose to address the person Im talking to as. Even my mom gets confused with it too!
anyone else does this??
someone enlighten me….haha..

me too..i get confused too..someone enlighten us..biggrin.gif

batakman

QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Mar 29 2007, 10:33 AM) *

@Najjiah: Couldn’t see ur pic. Is it a batak?

hi batakman and lostnexposed!! What sub-ethnicity of Batak are you guys?

Hi Bhas, i’m a batak toba, my grandpa is from samosir island.
nice to meet u guys biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
(heddek using english bah…wakakakak)

QUOTE(indonesian @ Mar 29 2007, 11:17 AM) *

Hi all….

lagu batak apa sekarang yang lagi hit ?? (lagu yang baru)

check it out, viky sianipar’s album
for me, i like his style bring the ‘old fashion’ of batak’s music more colourfull.

batakman

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Mar 29 2007, 09:36 AM) *

I know i call my uncles “Tulang”, unmarried aunties younger than my parents i call them “Inangbaju”, if they’re married I call them “Inangboru” Grandparents are called “Opung”…actually..are we suppose to use “Opung” for all elders?!?! cause I just realised that I always call old people “Opung” and theres like so many other names….it gets confusing…I always have to ask my mom or whoever is with me what am i suppose to address the person Im talking to as. Even my mom gets confused with it too!
anyone else does this??
someone enlighten me….haha..

Here we go..

Ethnographic Background
The Toba Batak, one of six Batak groups (Toba, Karo, Simalungun, Pak-pak – Dairi, Mandailing, and Angkola – Sipirok) which originate in contiguous areas of highland Sumatra, comprise a population of about one million.2 The city of Medan has long been a focus of migration, and the Toba Batak population there is currently estimated at nearly 200,000 (Pelly 1982). We know that urban Toba Batak maintain extensive and regular contacts with kin in the homeland, and that their social system has survived intact in the city (Bruner 1959, 1973).

Toba Batak society is ordered by patrilineal descent and asymmetric alliance. There are several hundred clans {marga), but the corporate unit of marriage exchange is a localized patrilineage (also marga). Incorporation into clans is usually by birth, but non-Batak wives may be adopted. Each clan traces its origin to Si Raja Batak, the mythical ancestor of all Bataks, a distance of fifteen to twenty-five generations. Marriage is asymmetrical, prescribed with the category pariban (which includes a man’s MBD and a woman’s FZS) and prohibited with a man’s FZD and a woman’s MBS, who are classified as iboto, or siblings. Wife-givers (hulahula) are distinguished from wife-takers (boru), who are both distinguished from one’s line (dongan sabutuha).

The Toba Batak describe their tripartite system as Dalihan na Tolu, literally “a three cornered stand on which cooking pots were placed in olden days” (Cunningham 1958:25). Hulahula are characterized by spiritual power and ceremonial superiority, whereas boru respect and worship their hulahula and expect to receive blessing from them. I could find no meaning for the term hulahula apart from that of wife-givers. Boru means “female” or “daughter”, and dongan sabutuha are “those who originate from one womb” (Vergouwen 1964:16; Tobing 1956:84). There is no general word for affines, rather they are always distinguished as wife-givers or wife-takers.

examples of Partuturan:
Tulang +1 >> MB, BWF, MBWB, FMBS, MMBS, MMBDH, WFMBS, WMMBS, WMMBDH, WFMBDH
Inang baju +1 >> unmarried: MyZ
Ompung, Ompung doli +2 >> FF, MF, FMB. FMZH, MFZH, MMB, WFF, WMF, WFFZH, WFMB, WMFZH, WMMB
Ompung, Ompung boru +2 >> FM, MM, FMBW. FMZ, MFZ, MMBW, WMM, WFFZ, WFM, WFMBW. WMFZ,

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Note:
B = Brother
C = Child(ren)
D = Daughter
F = Father
P = Parent
S = Son
Z = Sister
W = Wife
H = Husband
SP = Spouse
M = Mother
o = Older
y = Younger

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+1 , +2 = level from your self.
MB = Mother’s Brother
MyZ = Mother’s younger Sister
FMBS = Father’s Mother’s Brother’s Son

Toba batak relationship term (K.Brineman Bovill,1985, Leiden)
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lostnexposed
@ Bhaskara… Batak Toba here..

@ Batakman…ok…how bout when u call someone “Amanguda” or “inangtua”? I think Inangtua is for mother’s older sister?! is it?

batakman

QUOTE(jiwa @ Mar 29 2007, 03:02 AM) *

^That’s very interesting feed Batakman! Didn’t know Simanjuntak was from 6th generation < Si Raja Batak.
Btw Horas and welcome to AF. Hope you’ll have alot of fun here beerchug.gif
Also, forgot to mention, i saw the vacation video from my uncle in Toba and i was wrong. My Grandfather was indeed born in Toba. So peculiar was indeed right that juntak’s originate from Toba biggthumpup.gif

The Raja Marsudung Simanjuntak:
Si Raja Batak(2 sons): 1. Guru Tatea Bulan
2. Raja Isumbaon

Raja Batak >> Raja Isumbaon >> Tuan Sori Mangaraja >> Tuan Sorba Dibanua >> Si Bagot Ni Pohan >> Tuan Somanimbil >> Raja Marsudung Simanjuntak.

Ussualy Marga(clan) it’s from Ancestor’s name.
Simanjuntak also devided by 4 : Hinalang, Mardaup, Hutabulu,…
Hinalang, Mardaup, Hutabulu…it’s a origin village’s name.
Mostly Simanjuntak’s clan from Toba region(Balige)

Horas Jiwa, thanks

lostnexposed
@ batakman….omg..u know your stuff man!!!im impressed, very impressed!!! biggthumpup.gif
batakman

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Mar 30 2007, 01:04 AM) *

@ Bhaskara… Batak Toba here..

@ Batakman…ok…how bout when u call someone “Amanguda” or “inangtua”? I think Inangtua is for mother’s older sister?! is it?

yeah u right..lostnexposed
Amang uda = Father’s younger brother, Mother’s younger Sister’s husband.
Inang tua = Mother’s older Sister, Father’s older Brother’s Wife.

If you meet someone which is older than you, if a man just call him ‘amangboru’ and woman call her ‘namboru’.

batakman

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Mar 30 2007, 01:15 AM) *

@ batakman….omg..u know your stuff man!!!im impressed, very impressed!!! biggthumpup.gif

@ lostnexposed, thank you
i’m oso still learning about those stuff, but i knew something then i should shared it.
kamu boru apa? biggrin.gif

lostnexposed
@batakman..ooh…so can u speak batak?

ooh..how bout if someone is of the same age as me? but her parents are of a higher status? does it matter? or it doesnt matter at all?

batakman

QUOTE(peculiar-alien @ Mar 14 2007, 11:43 AM) *

wow…thats confusing me…i dont even know my granparents name…xixixixi….u surprising me by giving ur ancestors name, wow!!

if ur marga is Simanjuntak…then u r not Batak Karo…Batak toba if im not mistaken….they maybe live inTanah Karo in previous days but it didnt make them as Batak Karo……

Mejuah-juah peculiar,
Kai baritana kam ?

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lostnexposed
@ batakman….dude..ure officially my new best friend..haha! my mom is gonna be impressed with my newfound knowledge…okok..maybe not…
batakman

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Mar 30 2007, 01:34 AM) *

@batakman..ooh…so can u speak batak?

ooh..how bout if someone is of the same age as me? but her parents are of a higher status? does it matter? or it doesnt matter at all?

@ atas
how bout if someone is of the same age as me? just call ‘Ito’ for male and ‘Eda’ for female.
but her parents are of a higher status? not higher status..but we should respect older person, right..that;s why we called them ‘amangboru/namboru’.

so can u speak batak? yup..not so good, bcoz i was born in Jakarta.. icon_wink.gif but our parents very often used it.

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Mar 30 2007, 01:49 AM) *

@ batakman….dude..ure officially my new best friend..haha! my mom is gonna be impressed with my newfound knowledge…okok..maybe not…

@lostnexposed, hahahahaha.
so far, if you have any concern with batak’s..i would try to help.
hei…just say to your mom: ‘ Mom, Agoiamang..ido hape’ (Mom, omg..is it)

lostnexposed
@batakman : nah..cant speak batak. I know words like “horas” of course and “mauliate” and then theres “ise do goarmu” and “boha do kabar”….
hmm…n i think Bereng((probably spelt that wrong)) means Look. and Burju means good???
cant remember what else….I’ll post it when i can think of more

oh..and one more very important word.. Hepang!!! hehehehehe

batakman

QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Mar 26 2007, 04:33 PM) *

That’s weird. I thought people of Kecamatan Rao are either Minangkabau or Batak Mandailing?

Tuanku RaoTerror Agama Islam Mazhab Hambali di Tanah Batak
oleh: Batara R. Hutagalung

Perang Paderi (Ada yang berpendapat kata ini berasal dari Pidari di Sumatera Barat, dan ada yang berpendapat kata Paderi berasal dari kata Padre, bahasa Portugis, yang artinya pendeta, dalam hal ini adalah ulama) di Sumatera Barat berawal dari pertentangan antara kaum adat dengan kaum ulama. Sebagaimana seluruh wilayah di Asia Tenggara lainnya, sebelum masuknya agama Islam, agama yang dianut masyarakat di Sumatera Barat juga agama Buddha dan Hindu. Sisa-sisa budaya Hindu yang masih ada misalnya sistem matrilineal (garis ibu), yang mirip dengan yang terdapat di India hingga sekarang. Masuknya agama Islam ke Sumatera Utara dan Timur, juga awalnya dibawa oleh pedagang-pedagang dari Gujarat dan Cina.

Setelah kembalinya beberapa tokoh Islam dari Mazhab Hambali yang ingin menerapkan alirannya di Sumatera Barat, timbul pertentangan antara kaum adat dan kaum ulama, yang bereskalasi kepada konflik bersenjata. Karena tidak kuat melawan kaum ulama (Paderi), kaum adat meminta bantuan Belanda, yang tentu disambut dengan gembira. Maka pecahlah Perang Paderi yang berlangsung dari tahun 1816 sampai 1833.

Selama berlangsungnya Perang Paderi, pasukan kaum Paderi bukan hanya berperang melawan kaum adat dan Belanda, melainkan juga menyerang Tanah Batak Selatan, Mandailing, tahun 1816 – 1820 dan kemudian mengIslamkan Tanah Batak selatan dengan kekerasan senjata, bahkan di beberapa tempat dengan tindakan yang sangat kejam.

Sebelum masuknya agama Islam dan Kristen ke Tanah Batak, selain agama asli Batak yaitu Parmalim, seperti di hampir di seluruh Nusantara, agama yang berkembang di Sumatera Utara adalah agama Hindu dan Buddha. Sedangkan di Sumatera Barat pada abad 14 berkembang aliran Tantra Çaivite (Shaivite) Mahayana dari agama Buddha, dan hingga tahun 1581 Kerajaan Pagarruyung di Minangkabau masih beragama Hindu.

Agama Islam yang masuk ke Mandailing dinamakan oleh penduduk setempat sebagai Silom Bonjol (Islam Bonjol) karena para penyerbunya datang dari Bonjol. Seperti juga di Jawa Timur dan Banten rakyat setempat yang tidak mau masuk Islam, menyingkir ke utara dan bahkan akibat agresi kaum Paderi dari Bonjol, tak sedikit yang melarikan diri sampai Malaya.

Penyerbuan Islam ke Mandailing berawal dari dendam keturunan marga Siregar terhadap dinasti Singamangaraja dan seorang anak hasil incest (hubungan seksual dalam satu keluarga) dari keluarga Singamangaraja X.

Ketika bermukim di daerah Muara, di Danau Toba, Marga Siregar sering melakukan tindakan yang tidak disenangi oleh marga-marga lain, sehingga konflik bersenjatapun tidak dapat dihindari. Raja Oloan Sorba Dibanua, kakek moyang dari Dinasti Singamangaraja, memimpin penyerbuan terhadap pemukiman Marga Siregar di Muara. Setelah melihat kekuatan penyerbu yang jauh lebih besar, untuk menyelamatkan anak buah dan keluarganya, peminpin marga Siregar, Raja Porhas Siregar meminta Raja Oloan Sorba Dibanua untuk melakukan perang tanding -satu lawan satu- sesuai tradisi Batak.

Menurut tradisi perang tanding Batak, rakyat yang pemimpinnya mati dalam pertarungan satu lawan satu tersebut, harus diperlakukan dengan hormat dan tidak dirampas harta bendanya serta dikawal menuju tempat yang mereka inginkan.

Dalam perang tanding itu, Raja Porhas Siregar kalah dan tewas di tangan Raja Oloan Sorba Dibanua. Anak buah Raja Porhas ternyata tidak diperlakukan seperti tradisi perang tanding, melainkan diburu oleh anak buah Raja Oloan sehingga mereka terpaksa melarikan diri ke tebing-tebing yang tinggi di belakang Muara, meningggalkan keluarga dan harta benda. Mereka kemudian bermukim di dataran tinggi Humbang. Pemimpin Marga Siregar yang baru, Togar Natigor Siregar mengucapkan sumpah, yang diikuti oleh seluruh Marga Siregar yang mengikat untuk semua keturunan mereka, yaitu: Kembali ke Muara untuk membunuh Raja Oloan Sorba Dibanua dan seluruh keturunannya.

Dendam ini baru terbalas setelah 26 generasi, tepatnya tahun 1819, ketika Jatengger Siregar –yang datang bersama pasukan Paderi, di bawah pimpinan Pongkinangolngolan (Tuanku Rao)- memenggal kepala Singamangaraja X, keturunan Raja Oloan Sorba Dibanua, dalam penyerbuan ke Bakkara, ibu kota Dinasti Singamangaraja.

Ibu dari Pongkinangolngolan adalah Gana Sinambela, putri dari Singamangaraja IX sedangkan ayahnya adalah Pangeran Gindoporang Sinambela adik dari Singamangaraja IX. Gindoporang dan Singamangaraja IX adalah putra-putra Singamangaraja VIII. Dengan demikian, Pongkinangolngolan adalah anak hasil hubungan gelap antara Putri Gana Sinambela dengan Pamannya, Pangeran Gindoporang Sinambela.
Gana Sinambela sendiri adalah kakak dari Singamangaraja X.

Walaupun terlahir sebagai anak di luar nikah, Singamangaraja X sangat mengasihi dan memanjakan keponakannya. Untuk memberikan nama marga, tidak mungkin diberikan marga Sinambela, karena ibunya bermarga Sinambela. Namun nama marga sangat penting bagi orang Batak, sehingga Singamangaraja X mencari jalan keluar untuk masalah ini. Singamangaraja X mempunyai adik perempuan lain, Putri Sere Sinambela, yang menikah dengan Jongga Simorangkir, seorang hulubalang. Dalam suatu upacara adat, secara pro forma Pongkinangolngolan “dijual” kepada Jongga Simorangkir, dan Pongkinangolngolan kini bermarga Simorangkir.

Namun kelahiran di luar nikah ini diketahui oleh 3 orang Datu (tokoh spiritual) yang dipimpin oleh Datu Amantagor Manurung. Mereka meramalkan, bahwa Pongkinangolngolan suatu hari akan membunuh pamannya, Singamangaraja X. Oleh karena itu, Pongkinangolngolan harus dibunuh.
Sesuai hukum adat, Singamangaraja X terpaksa menjatuhkan hukuman mati atas keponakan yang disayanginya. Namun dia memutuskan, bahwa Pongkinangolngolan tidak dipancung kepalanya, melainkan akan ditenggelamkan di Danau Toba. Dia diikat pada sebatang kayu dan badannya dibebani dengan batu-batu supaya tenggelam.

Di tepi Danau Toba, Singamangaraja X pura-pura melakukan pemeriksaan terakhir, namun dengan menggunakan keris pusaka Gajah Dompak ia melonggarkan tali yang mengikat Pongkinangolngolan, sambil menyelipkan satu kantong kulit berisi mata uang perak ke balik pakaian Pongkinangolngola. Perbuatan ini tidak diketahui oleh para Datu, karena selain tertutup tubuhnya, juga tertutup tubuh Putri Gana Sinambela yang memeluk dan menangisi putra kesayangannya.

Tubuh Pongkonangolngolan yang terikat kayu dibawa dengan rakit ke tengah Danau dan kemudian di buang ke air. Setelah berhasil melepaskan batu-batu dari tubuhnya, dengan berpegangan pada kayu Pongkinangolngolan berhasil mencapai sungai Asahan, di mana kemudian di dekat Narumonda, ia ditolong oleh seorang nelayan, Lintong Marpaung.

Setelah bertahun-tahun berada di daerah Angkola dan Sipirok, Pongkinangolngolan memutuskan untuk pergi ke Minangkabau, karena selalu kuatir suatu hari akan dikenali sebagai orang yang telah dijatuhi hukuman mati oleh Raja Batak.

Di Minangkabau ia mula-mula bekerja pada Datuk Bandaharo Ganggo sebagai perawat kuda. Pada waktu itu, tiga orang tokoh Islam Mazhab Hambali, yaitu Haji Miskin, Haji Piobang dan Haji Sumanik baru kembali dari Mekkah dan sedang melakukan penyebaran Mazhab Hambali di Minangkabau, yang menganut aliran Syi’ah. Haji Piobang dan Haji Sumanik pernah menjadi pewira di pasukan kavaleri Janitsar Turki. Gerakan mereka mendapat dukungan dari Tuanku Nan Renceh, yang mempersiapkan tentara untuk melaksanakan gerakan Mazhab Hambali, termasuk rencana untuk mengislamkan Mandailing.

Tuanku Nan Renceh yang adalah seorang teman Datuk Bandaharo Ganggo, mendengar mengenai nasib dan silsilah dari Pongkinangolngolan. Ia memperhitungkan, bahwa Pongkinangolngolan yang adalah keponakan Singamangaraja X dan sebagai cucu di dalam garis laki-laki dari Singamangaraja VIII, tentu sangat baik untuk digunakan dalam rencana merebut dan mengIslamkan Tanah Batak. Oleh karena itu, ia meminta kawannya, Datuk Bandaharo agar menyerahkan Pongkinangolngolan kepadanya untuk dididik olehnya.
Pada 9 Rabiu’ulawal 1219 H (tahun 1804 M), dengan syarat-syarat Khitanan dan Syahadat, Pongkinangolngolan diislamkan dan diberi nama Umar Katab oleh Tuanku Nan Renceh. Nama tersebut diambil dari nama seorang Panglima Tentara Islam, Umar Chattab. Namun terselip juga asal usul Umar Katab, karena bila dibaca dari belakang, maka akan terbaca: Batak!

Penyebaran Mazhab Hambali dimulai tahun 1804 dengan pemusnahan keluarga Kerajaan Pagarruyung di Suroaso, yang menolak aliran baru tersebut. Hampir seluruh keluarga Raja Pagarruyung dipenggal kepalanya oleh pasukan yang dipimpin oleh Tuanku Lelo, yang nama asalnya adalah Idris Nasution. Hanya beberapa orang saja yang dapat menyelamatkan diri, di antaranya adalah Yang Dipertuan Arifin Muning Alamsyah yang melarikan diri ke Kuantan dan kemudian meminta bantuan Belanda. Juga putrinya, Puan Gadis dapat menyelamatkan diri, dan pada tahun 1871 menceriterakan kisahnya kepada Willem Iskandar.
Umar Katab alias Pongkinangolngolan Sinambela kembali dari Mekkah dan Syria tahun 1815, di mana ia sempat mengikuti pendidikan kemiliteran pada pasukan kavaleri janitsar Turki. Oleh Tuanku Nan Renceh ia diangkat menjadi perwira tentara Paderi dan diberi gelar Tuanku Rao. Ternyata Tuanku Nan Renceh menjalankan politik divide et impera seperti Belanda, yaitu menggunakan orang Batak untuk menyerang Tanah Batak.

Penyerbuan ke Tanah Batak dimulai pada 1 Ramadhan 1231 H (tahun 1816 M), dengan penyerbuan terhadap benteng Muarasipongi yang dipertahankan oleh Marga Lubis. 5.000 orang dari pasukan berkuda ditambah 6.000 infanteri meluluhlantakkan benteng Muarasipongi, dan seluruh penduduknya dibantai tanpa menyisakan seorangpun. Kekejaman ini sengaja dilakukan dan disebarluaskan untuk menebarkan teror dan rasa takut agar memudahkan penaklukkan. Setelah itu, satu persatu wilayah Mandailing ditaklukkan oleh pasukan Paderi, yang dipimpin oleh Tuanku Rao dan Tuanku Lelo, yang adalah putra-putra Batak sendiri. Selain kedua nama ini, ada sejumlah orang Batak yang telah masuk Islam, ikut pasukan Paderi menyerang Tanak Batak, yaitu Tuanku Tambusai (Harahap), Tuanku Sorik Marapin (Nasution), Tuanku Mandailing (Lubis), Tuanku Asahan (Mansur Marpaung), Tuanku Kotapinang (Alamsyah Dasopang), Tuanku Daulat (Harahap), Tuanku Patuan Soripada (Siregar), Tuanku Saman (Hutagalung), Tuanku Ali Sakti (Jatengger Siregar), Tuanku Junjungan (Tahir Daulay) dan Tuanku Marajo (Harahap).

Penyerbuan terhadap Singamangaraja X di Benteng Bakkara, dilaksanakan tahun 1819. Orang-orang Siregar Salak dari Sipirok dipimpin oleh Jatengger Siregar ikut dalam pasukan penyerang, guna memenuhi sumpah Togar Natigor Siregar dan membalas dendam kepada keturunan Raja Oloan Sorba Dibanua, yaitu Singamangaraja X. Jatengger Siregar menantang Singamangaraja untuk melakukan perang tanding. Walaupun sudah berusia lanjut, namun Singamangaraja tak gentar dan menerima tantangan Jatengger Siregar yang masih muda. Duel dilakukan dengan menggunakan pedang di atas kuda.

Duel yang tak seimbang berlangsung tak lama. Singamangaraja kalah dan kepalanya dipenggal oleh pedang Jatengger Siregar. Terpenuhi sudah dendam yang tersimpan selama 26 generasi. Kepala Singamangaraja X ditusukkan ke ujung satu tombak dan ditancapkan ke tanah. Orang-orang marga Siregar masih belum puas dan menantang putra-putra Singamangaraja X untuk perang tanding. Sebelas putra-putra Singamangaraja memenuhi tantangan ini, dan hasilnya adalah 7 – 4 untuk kemenangan putra-putra Singamangaraja. Namun setelah itu, penyerbuan terhadap Benteng Bakkara terus dilanjutkan, dan sebagaimana di tempat-tempat lain, tak tersisa seorangpun dari penduduk Bakkara, termasuk semua perempuan yang juga tewas dalam pertempuran.

Penyerbuan pasukan Paderi terhenti tahun 1820, karena berjangkitnya penyakit kolera dan epidemi penyakit pes. Dari 150.000 orang tentara Paderi yang memasuki Tanah Batak tahun 1818, hanya tersisa sekitar 30.000 orang dua tahun kemudian. Sebagian terbesar bukan tewas di medan petempuran, melainkan mati karena berbagai penyakit.

Untuk menyelamatkan sisa pasukannya, tahun 1820 Tuanku Rao bermaksud menarik mundur seluruh pasukannya dari Tanah Batak Utara, sehingga rencana pengIslaman seluruh Tanah Batak tak dapat diteruskan. Namun Tuanku Imam Bonjol memerintahkan agar Tuanku Rao bersama pasukannya tetap di Tanah Batak, untuk menghadang masuknya tentara Belanda. Ketika keadaan bertambah parah, akhirnya Tuanku Rao melakukan pembangkangan terhadap perintah Tuanku Imam Bonjol, dan memerintahkan sisa pasukannya keluar dari Tanah Batak Utara dan kembali ke Selatan.

Enam dari panglima pasukan Paderi asal Batak, yaitu Tuanku Mandailing, Tuanku Asahan, Tuanku Kotapinang, Tuanku Daulat, Tuanku Ali Sakti dan Tuanku Junjungan, tahun 1820 memberontak terhadap penindasan asing dari Bonjol/Minangkabau dan menanggalkan gelar Tuanku yang dipandang sebagai gelar Minangkabau. Bahkan Jatengger Siregar hanya menyandang gelar tersebut selama tiga hari. Mereka sangat marah atas perilaku pasukan Paderi yang merampok dan menguras Tanah Batak yang telah ditaklukkan. Namun hanya karena ingin balas dendam kepada Singamangaraja, Jatengger Siregar menahan diri sampai terlaksananya sumpah Togar Natigor Siregar dan ia behasil membunuh Singamangaraja X.

Mansur Marpaung (Tuanku Asahan) dan Alamsyah Dasopang (Tuanku Kotapinang) dengan tegas menyatakan tidak mau tunduk lagi kepada Tuanku Imam Bonjol dan Tuanku Nan Renceh, dan kemudian mendirikan kesultanan/kerajaan sendiri. Marpaung mendirikan Kesultanan Asahan dan mengangkat dirinya menjadi sultan, sedangkan Dasopang mendirikan Kerajaan Kotapinang, dan ia menjadi raja.
Tuanku Rao tewas dalam pertempuran di Air bangis pada 5 September 1821, sedangkan Tuanku Lelo (Idris Nasution) tewas dipenggal kepalanya dan kemudian tubuhnya dicincang oleh Halimah Rangkuti, salah satu tawanan yang dijadikan selirnya.

Catatan:
Tulisan ini merupakan cuplikan dari buku yang ditulis oleh Mangaradja Onggang Parlindungan Siregar, “Pongkinangolngolan Sinambela gelar Tuanku Rao, Terror Agama Islam Mazhab Hambali di Tanah Batak”, Penerbit Tanjung Pengharapan, Jakarta, 1964.

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Mar 30 2007, 02:01 AM) *

@batakman : nah..cant speak batak. I know words like “horas” of course and “mauliate” and then theres “ise do goarmu” and “boha do kabar”….
hmm…n i think Bereng((probably spelt that wrong)) means Look. and Burju means good???
cant remember what else….I’ll post it when i can think of more

oh..and one more very important word.. Hepang!!! hehehehehe

not hepang but hepeng = money. :-)
burju – naburju = good person

check this out, Batak toba-Indonesia dictionary/
http://web.tiscali.it/batak/kamuss.htm

kamuss >> for word started with ‘s’, and just change it to ‘a, b..so on’.
happy learning!!

lostnexposed
yeah…hepeng!!!
ooh..thx for that webbie…wld be better if it was in english…
batakman

QUOTE(anakjakarta84 @ Nov 14 2006, 08:32 PM) *

That’s true, Bataks are pretty straight-forward like Makassarese. I don’t think Bataks are rude; it’s just that they talk louder, faster and straight to the point, whereas people in Java are the opposite. What they’re known for: musicians and robbers. My professor once said to my Batak friend, “I like Bataks, they’re very fun people. But too many of them is not good, they may start robbing.”

They are from the province of North Sumatra. They’re Protestants (except for Batak Mandailing who are Muslims) and accepted their religion from German missionaries (from the 19th century I think) as oppose to Manados from the Dutch and Ambonese, East Timorese and Flores from Portuguese Catholic missionaries. And the ones I knew were very good friends and very funny people.

bcoz batak’s people stayed on highland(geography), and most of the highland so cold. that’s why they’re talk louder.
you know right if in cold area, your ears not so good to heard people talking..hahaha.

peculiar-alien

QUOTE(batakman @ Mar 29 2007, 12:36 PM) *

Mejuah-juah peculiar,
Kai baritana kam ?

shouldnt it be, ‘Kai Berita ndu?”…how to answer it..i forget..hehehhe…im okay btw..biggrin.gif
oh..i like Viki Sianipar…u know Lostnexposed, u should buy his album…its a world music….and im happy he released “piso surit” as his first single…the song is from my village…Batak Karo…yaaayy!!

Bhaskara
Hey, I’ve seen a concert of Viki Sianipar here in Bandung. He’s good! biggthumpup.gif
batakman

QUOTE(e_vaholic @ Mar 11 2007, 08:11 PM) *

^nah…i think you are the one who never heard that..
i also have known it from my batak friend….and i’m sure she’s competent…she’s from north sumatra (if i’m not mistaken she lives near lake toba)
she grew up there..and was raised by batak parents…she also lives there with her grandma,,,so i think she knows much bout batak’s values.
but..she says that..many bataks now break that rule…it’s not important anymore..long time ago, those who broke that rule were considered out from the marga..

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batak’s people was implementing exogamous system, marriage with same marga/clan or related marga(sibling) consider prohibited. some cases ‘marga’ belong to one unity group, example: Borbor marsada, in this unity group, including marga Pasaribu, Manik, Sagala, Batubara, Harahap, etc..they’re not supposed marriage each other.

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another reason, some marga have been commited not marriage each other according to ‘sumpah'(padan), this happen coz specials event such: helping one marga in war, healing, etc.

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long time ago, those who broke that rule were considered out from the marga. >> because alot of young peoples in the same villages or neighbours never marriage, bcoz they all consider sibling/relative blood, the Raja adat make some exception or made new marga(tompas bongbong), so they’re able to marriage each other. marriage in same marga is special case, might be in their village only 1-2 related marga, or the neighbour also still on their link. No choice.

Nowadays, marriage in same marga already seldom..bcoz alot batak peoples now :-)

QUOTE(peculiar-alien @ Mar 30 2007, 09:56 AM) *

shouldnt it be, ‘Kai Berita ndu?”…how to answer it..i forget..hehehhe…im okay btw..biggrin.gif
oh..i like Viki Sianipar…u know Lostnexposed, u should buy his album…its a world music….and im happy he released “piso surit” as his first single…the song is from my village…Batak Karo…yaaayy!!

@peculiar-alien
yeah…kai britana kam? > for different sex, is it ?
and im happy he released “piso surit” as his first single >> Sacred,,when you heard this song,,got somthing? hehehe.
tanahkaro site
another groups you should buy “Marsada’…mixed traditional with acoustic. later, i upload for u guys..but not the whole album, ok beerchug.gif

furansizuka

QUOTE(Najjiah @ Mar 28 2007, 03:19 PM) *

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omg…

IPB Image <<<< HOT! love2.gif love2.gif love2.gif


Hey..how do you know that Bams Samsons is Bataknese? Yeah he’s hot but he’s taken biggrin.gif

lostnexposed
@ Peculiar…..well Im more of a Victor Hutabarat person when it comes to batak songs, but since u said i should buy the Viki Sianipar’s album…I’ll go buy it ok?! think they sell it online???

n oooh..Bams is hot!!! But the hottest batak is still Nadya Hutagalung!!! We need a male version of her!!!!!

batakman
one of my friends gimme this link,
alot of lagu batak..
hp://pas1000.multiply.com/
hp://latteung.multiply.com/music
lostnexposed
^^^ooh… Mauliate batakman!!!
batakman

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Mar 31 2007, 02:06 AM) *

^^^ooh… Mauliate batakman!!!

yw, @ lostnexposed
met berbatak-ria…hehehehe

QUOTE(jiwa @ Mar 29 2007, 03:02 AM) *

^That’s very interesting feed Batakman! Didn’t know Simanjuntak was from 6th generation < Si Raja Batak.
Btw Horas and welcome to AF. Hope you’ll have alot of fun here beerchug.gif
Also, forgot to mention, i saw the vacation video from my uncle in Toba and i was wrong. My Grandfather was indeed born in Toba. So peculiar was indeed right that juntak’s originate from Toba biggthumpup.gif

@ Jiwa,
univ.Leiden kept alot of batak’s literatures, maybe u can ask them how to copying some books/jurnals for your personal reference.

lostnexposed
ooh..I have a story to share..

My mom, my uncle and I were walking ard at a mall in Medan. And we saw this guy, dressed in jeans, a thick sweater, cowboy boots and cowboy hats! N i was thinking to myself “OMG..wtf!!!”. And my uncle seen him too and he said really loudly “Bereng, Bereng, Bereng, Bereng Ibana” (cant rmb the exact words) but he forgot he was in Medan where like so many other people understood the language including that guy!!!! he just gave us that Look and these girls who were ard us just started giggling. My uncle was just like “alamak…celaka”….

jokotarub
This Batak lady is said to be the first Indonesian ever to pose for Playboy (Russian edition June 1999).

IPB Image

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furansizuka

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Mar 30 2007, 02:28 PM) *

ooh..I have a story to share..

My mom, my uncle and I were walking ard at a mall in Medan. And we saw this guy, dressed in jeans, a thick sweater, cowboy boots and cowboy hats! N i was thinking to myself “OMG..wtf!!!”. And my uncle seen him too and he said really loudly “Bereng, Bereng, Bereng, Bereng Ibana” (cant rmb the exact words) but he forgot he was in Medan where like so many other people understood the language including that guy!!!! he just gave us that Look and these girls who were ard us just started giggling. My uncle was just like “alamak…celaka”….


laugh.gif funny. And yeah we need male version of Nadya biggrin.gif

batakman

QUOTE(jokotarub @ Mar 31 2007, 12:11 PM) *

This Batak lady is said to be the first Indonesian ever to pose for Playboy (Russian edition June 1999).

IPB Image

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Her’s name is Victoria br Sianipar
hehehehe…batak’s woman on playboy..great!

lostnexposed
oh wow…I just looked at the pics on the first page. Framli Simanjuntak and Giovani Tobing are sooo yummy!!! Maybe I should move to Indonesia! hmmm…..
Majapahitans
IMO Batak has unique and strong face feature…..
Unlike soft (and often feminine) feature of Sundanese…..
This opposite attractions maybe draw me to find Batak are attractive.

My ex are Batak girl, but because of our different religions, we can not continue our relationship. icon_neutral.gif
The problem is not between us, it’s between our family…..
(About Batak history of Perang Paderi, I wish Islamic conquest of Batak Lands was succed, so we have same religons now…. hehe just my two cents…. biggrin.gif ).

batakman
mostly co/ce batak yang ‘cakep-ganteng’ product mixed..it is true? hehehe
but the original is more ‘garang’ tipical facenya..hehehehe(like me)
jiwa

QUOTE(batakman @ Mar 30 2007, 01:19 PM) *

@ Jiwa,
univ.Leiden kept alot of batak’s literatures, maybe u can ask them how to copying some books/jurnals for your personal reference.

Thnx for the tip bro!

lostnexposed

QUOTE(batakman @ Mar 31 2007, 10:29 AM) *

mostly co/ce batak yang ‘cakep-ganteng’ product mixed..it is true? hehehe
but the original is more ‘garang’ tipical facenya..hehehehe(like me)

ooh…quite true…all my uncles look so garang…so scary…and so did my Grandfather..I used to be so afraid of him..and he was strict too..which made it even scarier..
not sure if I have the garang looks..but lots of ppl say I look stuck-up….

jiwa
Yeah, my grandfather looked like an old amazone indian chief. But i do not find it scary. Rather tough/ tegap
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lostnexposed
^^ wow..he looks like an old amazon chief?!?! Dude..Id be so scared..and I’ll probably make sure I mind my P’s and Q’s around him and act like an innocent little girl…haha

I miss going to Medan now….but I absolutely hate the drive from Medan to Tarutung…but its so peaceful there. I went there so stressed and I came back so relaxed. Why do things get so materialistic once you get to the city???

@ Jiwa…are u batak?

jiwa

QUOTE(jiwa @ Mar 25 2007, 06:18 AM) *

…About me:

Grandfathers: Batak, Banten
Grandmothers:Celebes/irish and jakarta/german

^I have Batakblood from my father’s side-thumbup

Bhaskara
If he’s an Amazonian, wouldn’t he be…a woman? eek.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
Anyway, Framli is a pure Batak, right? I think he is fine icon_wink.gif
peculiar-alien
yea..he’s hawt..we have same taste then Bhasky…
Bhaskara
Yeah.. we do beerchug.gif
Get off of him, you fatso!! The boy is mine!! embarassedlaugh.gif
peculiar-alien
rotflmao.gif

finally, u r infected by my virus…

furansizuka
I found mostly metropolitan Batak boys are yummy biggthumpup.gif
peculiar-alien
including me..im yummy… biggthumpup.gif
furansizuka
pukeface.gif Narcissi! =p
lostnexposed
well..Bhaskara and peculiar..sorry to dissappoint u guys but Framli’s mine!!!! n I’ll put up a fight for him too!!! love2.gif

@peculiar..prove your yummyness!! post you pic!!!hehe laugh.gif

@furan…ooh..any pics? think the chances of me finding a hot Batak guy here in Jersey is slim to none. thumbsdown.gif

jiwa

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 2 2007, 08:38 AM) *

well..Bhaskara and peculiar..sorry to dissappoint u guys but Framli’s mine!!!! n I’ll put up a fight for him too!!! love2.gif


Hmmm, fighting about my potential nephew Framli ey? biggrin.gif

lostnexposed
^^ of course!!!
oh wait…why is he your potential nephew?? confused.gif
peculiar-alien

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 2 2007, 08:38 AM) *

@peculiar..prove your yummyness!! post you pic!!!hehe laugh.gif

see my avatar..duh!!

jiwa

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 2 2007, 12:59 PM) *

^^ of course!!!
oh wait…why is he your potential nephew?? confused.gif

you’ll find the answer inside this topic lostnexposed:)

lostnexposed
^^ ure both Simanjuntak’s??? is that why??
ok then..your potential nephew is very yummy…
that sounds so wrong……
jiwa

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 3 2007, 12:09 PM) *

^^ ure both Simanjuntak’s??? is that why??
ok then..your potential nephew is very yummy…
that sounds so wrong……

beerchug.gif Don’t worry sis, u 2 would make a beautiful batak couple!

lostnexposed
aww..thanks jiwa!! hook it up for us yeah???
heard that peculiar and bhaskara?? Ive got Jiwa’s approval..soo…get back in line!!! hahaha!!!

BTW..i wonder what happened to batakman..havent seem him in awhile…hmmmmm

peculiar-alien

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 3 2007, 01:30 PM) *

aww..thanks jiwa!! hook it up for us yeah???
heard that peculiar and bhaskara?? Ive got Jiwa’s approval..soo…get back in line!!! hahaha!!!

BTW..i wonder what happened to batakman..havent seem him in awhile…hmmmmm


maybe he have photo shoot with LMen…he poses with Fremle in thong now…hmm…delicious…

Bhaskara
Yum…. embarassedlaugh.gif
Anyway, we have to support inter-ethnicity relationships to avoid inter-ethnicity tension. So, the two of u are out of the question since he’s a Batak. Me, I’m not a Batak, so I’m perfect for him!! Mwahahahahaha!!!
peculiar-alien
okay..take him for u Ivan Gunawan…. laugh.gif
Bhaskara
yeah, yeah…. you can have both ivan gunawan and olga, I even give you a bonus: aming! icon_wink.gif
peculiar-alien
no, idont want u Ivan Gunawan…Olga and Aming is okay though… biggrin.gif
Bhaskara
don’t be so modest. I know u got orgasm every time you see ivan gunawan’s dangsut show
peculiar-alien
^^

He’s OOT..kill him Dia-Yang-Namanya-Tak-Boleh-Disebut Mod!…..

lostnexposed
@ Bhas well..I need to learn more about my Batak culture so therefore I should hang out with more bataks which then means that Framli is mine!!!

I actually have a question about the ulos…no idea how to spell that but i think i got it right. well..actually i have no idea what i wanna ask… I know u get it when u do adat and stuff..but what is it exactly used for?

peculiar-alien
^Fashion..duh!!! biggrin.gif
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lostnexposed
dude..seriously..why so many? we have tons of them..
n the ulos is also really, really warm. i remember whenever we did adat n they put it around us, i’ll be feeling warm as hell….
peculiar-alien
its for adat thingy and pride i guess…i didnt come from batak sub-ethnic who have ulos…so, dunno about it…where r u Batak man?
lostnexposed
yeah..Batakman..where ru? we need u…haha..hey peculiar..he’s gonna think we’re hitting on him.
peculiar-alien
we’re not?
Bhaskara
embarassedlaugh.gif
I think it means more than just fashion!! The Bataks always wear them to special occasions, like wedding and funeral. I don’t think people wear something for the funeral just for the sake of fashion sure.gif
peculiar-alien

QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Apr 4 2007, 10:25 PM) *

embarassedlaugh.gif
I think it means more than just fashion!! The Bataks always wear them to special occasions, like wedding and funeral. I don’t think people wear something for the funeral just for the sake of fashion sure.gif

i know it duhh!!..thats why i said its for the adat Thingy..and pride also..because its so expensive….

scorpions
how do you say in batak: “I miss you” also “you look very sexy”
lostnexposed

QUOTE(scorpions @ Apr 5 2007, 12:12 AM) *

how do you say in batak: “I miss you” also “you look very sexy”

I think you can say “Sai naeng tu ho” for I miss you…not 100% sure.
as for “you look very sexy”..I have no clue..haha.

furansizuka

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 2 2007, 09:38 AM) *

@furan…ooh..any pics? think the chances of me finding a hot Batak guy here in Jersey is slim to none. thumbsdown.gif


laugh.gif Framle is not enuff for you? he’s the example of cosmopolitan batak man biggthumpup.gif Oh what about Restu Sinaga? He’s not Jiwa’s nephew.

lostnexposed
Framli’s way beyond hot….but i want more more eye-candy.haha!
Bhaskara
Restu Sinaga… what sub-ethnicity is the Sinaga clan is?
peculiar-alien

QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Apr 6 2007, 08:51 PM) *

Restu Sinaga… what sub-ethnicity is the Sinaga clan is?

Batak Simalungun if im not mistaken

tangkas
They say Filipino from Palawan are descendents of the Batak. That’s what I know of them …
lostnexposed
I think peccy may be right abt Sinaga…its Batak Simalungun…
why bhaskara? u interested in him too??hehe!
alysopyan
what about si Naga bonar…biggrin.gif .is there really a Bonar clan existed in batak ?
batakman

QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Apr 7 2007, 09:51 AM) *

Restu Sinaga… what sub-ethnicity is the Sinaga clan is?

@Bhaskra
Sinaga is Toba batak’s clan.( Sinaga: uruk, bonor, ratus)
Alot of them moved to Simalungun area’s, such: Pematang Siantar, Raya, etc.
I believed Naga bonar from one of Sinaga’s son , which is Sinaga Bonor.

ULOS
According to the geographical of batakland, highland, the weather so chills.
in the past they used guardraill from bamboes to withhold the weather and also for village’s security reasons. another thing is wearing ulos to make their body ‘warm’, that time ulos usually more thickness than current. because ulos so important to their life and they’re always weared it everyday. then giving ulos as gift practically is priceless, they believed may the ulos make your life ‘warm’, means you’re blessing.

And time to time, Ulos is used as element in ‘adat’/ batak rituals for child born, marriage, and funeral ritual. giving Ulos as gift or respect to others people, we called it ‘Mangulosi’. There is some Ulos’s name referred to the motif(Pattern) and functions in adat rituals, such: Ragidup, Sibolang, Sadum, Ragihotang, Suri-suri, Bolean.

Book Reference: Batak Cloth and Clothing: A Dynamic Indonesian Tradition, ISBN-10: 9676530409, (By. Sandra A. Niessen)

Horas!!

batakman

QUOTE(scorpions @ Apr 5 2007, 12:12 PM) *

how do you say in batak: “I miss you” also “you look very sexy”

I miss you – Masihol au tu ho >> sihol =miss, au =me, tu ho= to you
You Look very sexy – laugh.gif i can’t found the word, similar meaning for sexy.
Uli, Nauli= beautifful, good, charming.

batakman
some batak’s word:

English – Batak – Bhs Indonesia

I, me = Au = Aku
You = Hamu, Ibana = Kamu
They = Halakan = Mereka, Orang itu
Father = Bapa = Bapa, Ayah
Mother = Inong, Omak = Ibu, Mama
Sister = Iboto = Adik perempuan
Brother = Anggi = Adik Laki-laki
Nephew = Bere = Keponakan, kemenakan
Uncle = Tulang = Paman, Pakcik
Aunty = Nantulang = Bibi, Makcik
Grandmother = Oppung boru = Nenek, Oma
Grandfather = Oppung doli = Kakek, Opa
Grandson = Pahompu = Cucu
Daugther = Boru = Anak perempuan
Son = Anak = Anak laki-laki
Girlfriend/boyfriend = Hallet = Kekasih

Head = Ulu = Kepala
Ear = Pinggol = Telinga
Mouth = Simajujung, baba = Mulut
Nose = Igung = Hidung
Eye = Simalolong, mata = Mata
Hair = Obut, obuk = Rambut
Hand = Tangan = Tangan
Leg = Pat = Kaki

Eat = Mangan = Makan
Drink = Minum, inum = Minum
Sleep = Modom = Tidur
Running = Marikat = Berlari
Sitting = Hundul = Duduk
Walk = Mardalan = Berjalan
Listen = Bege, Tangi = Mendengar
Talking = Makkatai = Berbicara
Stand up = Tindang, Jongjong = Berdiri
Go, Going = Laho = Pergi, ingin
Land = Tano=Tanah
Water = Aek = Air
Prayer = Martamiang = Berdoa, Sembahyang
Study = Marsiajar, Marguru = Belajar
Smoking = Marisap = Merokok
Writing = Manurat = Menulis
Clapping = Martopak = Tepuk tangan
Smile = Mekkel = Senyum, tertawa
Shower = Maridi = Mandi
Cooking = Mangaloppa = Memasak
Cloths = Abit, Pahean = Pakaian, Baju
Pants = Salawar = Celana

Will continue later guys…whoaaaa
Happy Easter!!

lostnexposed
yay!!! he’s back!!!!
post more words and phrases when ure free ok batakman?!?! beerchug.gif
batakman

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 8 2007, 05:44 AM) *

yay!!! he’s back!!!!
post more words and phrases when ure free ok batakman?!?! beerchug.gif

Yooo…for couples of day,our internet connection at home not good :-(
that’s why i can’t access this forum, too slow and make me headache..arghhh

lostnexposed
^^ that sucks..I hate it when I have a slow connection! and the AF forum has been lagging alot lately! anyway..welcome back!!!
furansizuka

QUOTE(tangkas @ Apr 7 2007, 06:37 AM) *

They say Filipino from Palawan are descendents of the Batak. That’s what I know of them …


Oh really? That’s interesting. Care to tell us more? icon_smile.gif

More Batak people:

Restu Sinaga
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Risty Tagor
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Febi Febiola Simanjuntak
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Jonathan Frizzy Simanjuntak
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and others
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jiwa

QUOTE(furansizuka @ Apr 9 2007, 02:12 AM) *

Oh really? That’s interesting. Care to tell us more? icon_smile.gif

More Batak people:

Febi Febiola Simanjuntak
IPB Image

Is that marga Simanjuntak bawling.gif ?

lostnexposed
yo Jiwa…she could be your niece or cousin man!!! hehe!!!
jiwa
^LOL!! …

here’s something my family repeatedly told me when i was little:

Don’t ever go with someone of Simandjuntak. If you do so, then the whole family will hunt u down and cut your head off and they aint lying!

Also the thought of going with someone of my own family makes me sick! WHo wouldn’t?

lostnexposed
I know..I was told the same thing too!! and I was also told that if someone from the family has already married a person from another marga, meaning lets say if my brother marries a Simanjuntak, then I cant go out with a Simnajuntak. Im not sure if thats like a strict rule or if its our family preferences…..
and yeah the thought of going out with someone of my own family is sick…
jiwa

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 9 2007, 08:29 AM) *

I know..I was told the same thing too!! and I was also told that if someone from the family has already married a person from another marga, meaning lets say if my brother marries a Simanjuntak, then I cant go out with a Simnajuntak. Im not sure if thats like a strict rule or if its our family preferences…..
and yeah the thought of going out with someone of my own family is sick…

Well, then u can say bye bye to Framli then hehe laugh.gif

Let’s ask Batakman on this one.
Batakman, is it true that you can’t marry marga that your brother/sister’s married with?

lostnexposed
noooo…
well..Framli is still mine..cause Im not a Simanjuntak and my brother is only 16…
BTW jiwa…did u marry a Batak or no??

Jonathan Frizzy SImanjuntak is pretty cute too….okok..what the hell is up with me and Simanjuntaks??

jiwa

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 9 2007, 09:07 AM) *

noooo…
well..Framli is still mine..cause Im not a Simanjuntak and my brother is only 16…
BTW jiwa…did u marry a Batak or no??

No, there are not much Batak ladies in NL.

batakman

QUOTE(tangkas @ Apr 7 2007, 06:37 PM) *

They say Filipino from Palawan are descendents of the Batak. That’s what I know of them …

Edward Y Miller in his book “Bataks of Palawan” said batak’s descendents is from philipines , But Terry Yarov Le Vine in his book “Forest peoples of Philiphines” said palawan’s people is from Negrito race which is their hair tipically curly and batak’s people is straight. Palawan’s people is Nomadic and batak people they’re not use this methode.

Batak’s people mostly working on farming area for daily life, and Palawan’s people like to hunting and agriculture not main thing in their life. the House architecture on both race is very different, Batak’s people ‘already using Ulos in 18th century but palawan;s people still using bark clothes.

Some anthropolog said batak’s people is from somewhere around south china, near burma.
So, the theory batak’s descendents from philiphines is not accurate.

batakman

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 9 2007, 09:29 PM) *

I know..I was told the same thing too!! and I was also told that if someone from the family has already married a person from another marga, meaning lets say if my brother marries a Simanjuntak, then I cant go out with a Simnajuntak. Im not sure if thats like a strict rule or if its our family preferences…..
and yeah the thought of going out with someone of my own family is sick…

meaning lets say if my brother marries a Simanjuntak, then I cant go out with a Simanjuntak >> it’s not true, absolutely you can as far is not on same family-blood relation (not same marga).

Majapahitans
If Batak intermarried with Sundanese I think their offspring would look beautiful.
Strong Batak feature like sharp eye bone and square jaws is a little bit soften with Sundanese soft rounded feature.
lostnexposed
^^ Im assuming that ure Sundanese?
furansizuka

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 9 2007, 10:07 AM) *

Jonathan Frizzy SImanjuntak is pretty cute too….okok..what the hell is up with me and Simanjuntaks??


Simanjutaks seem outstand other Batak clans in Indo showbiz laugh.gif

lostnexposed
^^…hmm…well…either way Jiwa..Im joining the family!!! laugh.gif beerchug.gif
Majapahitans

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 9 2007, 08:17 PM) *

^^ Im assuming that ure Sundanese?

Yeah you right…., Sundanese-Javanese actually, but my physical feature is more closer to Sundanese……
And my ex was a beautiful Batak girl btw…..,
I can imagine if only we could get married and have children, our kids would look great….
Too bad we’re not together anymore…. icon_sad.gif

batakman
Yeahh u right, Maja
Mostly if their parents intermarriage with other ethnic like, sunda, menado, java, etc…their daughtes/son so good..it’s a truth…hehehehe

jiwa

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Apr 9 2007, 08:36 PM) *

^^…hmm…well…either way Jiwa..Im joining the family!!! laugh.gif beerchug.gif

biggthumpup.gif

lostnexposed
Pictures!!

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