LETS LOOK AT THE OBAMA PAST HISTORY BACKGround profile and some comment.GUYS JUST REMEMBER HE COULD BE ANOTHER HISTORY FOR AMERICAN CHAPTER TOO.lets observe and watch his foot step …track him down time is ticking.

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JAKARTA (Reuters) – A small group of Indonesians in their late 40s who attended the same elementary school in central Jakarta recently gathered for a reunion and to pledge their support for an absent former classmate — Barack Obama.

Obama’s late mother came to Indonesia with her young son in the late 1960s to join her second husband knowing next to nothing about the huge, developing Southeast Asian nation.

While her son left after four years to study in Hawaii, for the Kansas-born mother of the Democratic Party presidential hopeful the relationship with Indonesia was to grow into a lifetime affair.

Eschewing many of the cocktail parties and golf-type events in the expatriate community, friends said she tried to dig deep into the local culture and made many Indonesian friends.

“She wasn’t the typical expat, who just experienced Indonesia from behind the windows of a chauffeur-driven limousine,” said author and columnist Julia Suryakusuma, who became a friend of Obama’s mother Ann Dunham in 1981.

For a six-year-old Obama too, the chaotic tropical nation clearly had an impact when he arrived with his mother, then 24, from Hawaii to join his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetoro.

He recounts in his book “Dreams from My Father” being amazed to find the house they moved into on the outskirts of Jakarta had a collection of exotic animals including a monkey, birds of paradise, a cockatoo and even several baby crocodiles.

CALIBRATING MISERY

The grinding poverty of Indonesia was also a shock to the young boy and his mother, whom he said would initially give over her money freely to the countless beggars with outstretched arms.

“Later, when it became clear that the tide of pain was endless, she gave more selectively, learning to calibrate the levels of misery,” Obama wrote in the best-selling book, where he also recounts his mother’s initial loneliness in Indonesia.

She threw herself into a job teaching English to Indonesian business executives at the American embassy, but was never happy playing the expatriate wife from all accounts.

Obama’s stepfather, who Dunham wed after her marriage to the senator’s Kenyan father ended, started working for an American oil company and would grumble about his wife’s refusal to attend company dinner parties with him.

John McGlynn, a friend and long-term resident of Jakarta, also recalls Dunham as someone who preferred a more local scene despite her access to expat circles and was fun to be around.

“She could enjoy a G&T and a good argument,” said McGlynn.

Obama, who describes in his book his mother as “the kindest, most generous spirit I have ever known”, recalls her dedication to his education — he was set a stiff regimen whereby he was woken by her at 4 a.m. for English lessons before school

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In Jakarta, Obama went to a Catholic school and then State Elementary School Menteng 01, attended by pupils of many faiths in a posh leafy suburb. Insight, a conservative magazine, reported on its Web site last year that Obama had attended what it called a radical madrassa, or Islamic school, a story that has since died a natural death.

In these formative years in a new land, Obama recounts how he turned to guidance from his stepfather, who later separated from his mother and died in 1987. Soetoro tried to teach his stepson to box after he was bashed by an older boy and introduced him to exotic foods from snake meat to roasted grasshopper.

Obama’s Indonesia experience was cut short in 1971 when he was sent to attend an American school and live with grandparents in Hawaii, while Dunham stayed on with her husband.

“It’s not easy for a mother to be separated from her child when he was only 10 at the time if she didn’t really think that it was really important,” said Suryakusuma.

Fluent in Bahasa Indonesia, Obama’s mother went on to pursue work with NGOs and as an academic often focusing on Indonesia.

This included spells for USAID and in the Jakarta office of the Ford Foundation from 1981-84, where much of her work revolved around women’s livelihoods and women’s rights.

As an anthropologist, she also wrote a research paper when at the University of Hawaii on cottage industries such as blacksmithing and weaving in Java.

OBAMA FAN CLUB

Dunham, who died of cancer in 1995 at the age of 52, spent a lot of time in Indonesian villages and was close to the “orang kecil” (ordinary people), said Suryakusuma.

“Indonesia was home to her. It wasn’t just a place where she did anthropological research and where she worked,” she added, noting how proud Dunham would have been of her son.

Pride in the Obama link was also evident at the recent gathering of former Jakarta classmates of the U.S. senator.

Widiyanto Hendro, 48, who sat next to Obama in 4th grade, said Obama sometimes struggled to make himself understood in Indonesian and at times used hand-signals to communicate.

While Hendro said Obama did not appear an exceptional student at that time, he noted a special talent.

“He could draw things such as Spiderman, Bat-Man with his left hand and those drawings were very beautiful.”

Another classmate, Cut Citra Dewi, 47, remembers him having a mischievous streak that meant he often pulled the girls’ hair.

The group of students plan to establish a fan club at the elementary school to back Obama’s presidential bid.  Continued…

“Hopefully he will still remember his friends here,” said Hendro.

(Additional reporting by Telly Nathalia)

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Senator Barack Obama’s Muslim past in Indonesia is being used against him.

Senator Barack Obama from Illinois is reputed to hold some ambition of contesting the Democratic Party nomination for US president next year. His likely rival for the nomination, Senator Hillary Clinton, or her campaign staff, is believed by some to have “leaked” information about Obama having attended a Muslim school in Indonesia, a “madrassa”, when living here as a child, and suggested that he attempted to conceal the fact, that further, he may still be a closet Muslim and sympathetic to the Muslim radical cause.
Barack Obama.

Right-wing news agencies seized on the news. [1] Fox News morning program “Fox & Friends” on the 19th “broke” the story:
Host Steve Doocy highlighted Obama’s middle name, Hussein, and questioned whether Obama was indoctrinated in extremist Muslim ideology, given that Islamic schools in Indonesia are often believed to be funded by the Saudi Arabian government, or Saudi “charities”, and to teach a Wahhabi system.

In reality it appears that Barack Obama discussed his attendance at a “Muslim” elementary school in Jakarta in his autobiography, “Dreams from My Father”, published in 1995. Page 142 says [2] :

In Indonesia, I’d spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I’d pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended.

It also appears the reason he attended the “Muslim school” was that his parents could not afford to send him to a “better” school, such as an international one. From his second book, “The Audacity of Hope”, page 274 [3] :

Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks.

Obama attended this school for two years, between the ages of six and eight, and thereafter went to a Catholic school. His father was a Muslim, from Kenya, but non-practising, likely an agnostic or atheist. In any case Obama had little or no contact with his father after the age of two. His mother was a non-religious woman from Kansas. Barack Obama has been a Christian since the mid 1980’s, belonging to the United Church of Christ, although said to be not a regular attendee at services.

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In reality Obama attended not an Islamic school but the state run SDN Menteng 01 in Central Jakarta. On 14th February 2007 the school’s current principal, Hardi Priyono, vehemently denied that any sort of radicalism was likely to have been taught to students in Religious Instruction classes at any time in the school’s history.

Priyono said what was taught at the school was in accordance with the national curriculum and that his school, which he has been in charge of since 1999, was open to students of any religion.

SDN Menteng 1 was built by the Dutch colonial government in 1934 and was accepted into the Indonesian national system in 1961. Since then the school, which occupies 2300m2, has received students from all sorts of backgrounds, Priyono says.

This year we have 474 students and there are Muslims, Christians, and also Hindus. We accept them all here.
(Tahun ini siswa kami sebanyak 474, mereka ada yang beragama Islam, Kristen, dan juga Hindu. Semua kami terima di sini.)

90% were Muslims, he said, but that was only because most Indonesians were Muslim. Non-Muslim students receive religious instruction in their own religion, in a separate classroom.

When Barack Obama attended the school he was registered under the name Barry Soetoro. He left in 1971, in the fifth grade. [4]

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 Daryono Says:
January 21st, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Obama attended a Muslim school in Indonesia, a “madrassa” , when living here as a child, and suggested that he attempted to conceal the fact, that further, he may still be a closet Muslim and sympathetic to the Muslim radical cause.

Oh yes America; he lived in Indonesia; he went to a Muslim school…if he ever became Presdident he would invite Osama to the White house for tea and together they would turn American children into suicide bombers…etc etc.

 sgn Says:
January 21st, 2007 at 11:36 pm
As for Democrate Candidates, I think Hillary Clinton has more chance then Obama.
It is not his 2 years in a Muslim school and another 2 years in a Catholic school, but Hillary is more popular and better knowledge and experience while her husband was the president.

Hi Patung,

I just Curious, why in the first place “IndonesiaMatters” posted the article above. What was the big deal being 2-6 years in Indonesian school?

sgn.

 John Orford Says:
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:56 am
I like the guy even more now – am sure prez obama won’t have gone down the road of prez the “good” Christian bush.

 Grace and Mercy Says:
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:06 am
sgn:

I just Curious, why in the first place “IndonesiaMatters” posted the article above. What was the big deal being 2-6 years in Indonesian school?

I think because deep in all Indonesians we have this “benci tapi rindu” feeling towards the good ole USA and anything foreign. (I’m not talking about you in particular patung). We always love to slice and dice the tiniest bit of anything US (or foreign for that matter) that has an Indonesian connection no matter how insignificant it is.

I watch a recent interview of George Benson the jazz guy here on an entertaniment show in TV. Instead of asking him about his musc etc that’s entertainment related, the interviewer asked him about terrorism and Indonesia.

I was entertained indeed.

Sadly though it bears the fact that as a nation we are still filled with insecurity.

 Ihaknt Says:
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:09 am
Sgn,

Barack’s step dad is Indo. Maybe somehow ‘we’ feel related to him.
I hope if he does get elected, he would be able to change many negative perceptions about Islam.

Ok, ok, Ismail, here we go.  I am just planning ahead.

 sgn Says:
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Or, changed many negative perception about having step father.

 Tomaculum Says:
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Host Steve Doocy highlighted Obama’s middle name, Hussein, and questioned whether Obama was indoctrinated in extremist Muslim ideology.

You see, there are also narrow minded people living in the western world.
It is like asking a spanish man named Jesus (frequent name there) if he is the son of God. And such narrow minded provocant people live at both sides of the “front”.
That the political “culture” every where, trying to weaken the postion of the contrahent even through her/his privat matters.

 Rockstar Says:
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:04 pm
I heard so many bad things about obama, things that he used to support in the past but not anymore because he was afraid he would lose votes. I forgot what they are but they are quite important issues. Do answer.yahoo and type in obama.

As for Hillary Clinton, she’s quite a joke. I don’t know why people think of her seriously. I’d stick with the republican but alas, they lost alot this year.

 Joy Says:
January 23rd, 2007 at 2:26 am
I am affraid that Obama will come out from this run with his back covered with knifes (already have a couple stuck behind him). Anyway, I wish him a good run!!

Rockstar, do you have any favorite from the Republican camp?

 Ali Says:
January 23rd, 2007 at 2:30 am
I personally hope either Obama or someone else to win – but definitely NOT Hillary.

 Naga Says:
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:42 am
Obama is a lightweight and he will never be able to win the southern states, Americans don’t vote for black people in case you didn’t notice..

Hilary is much more of a threat, she’s smart and ruthless, but has a poor public image (thanks to business scandals, not to mention her ‘husband’), provided she can generate plenty of campaign funds (via Bill) she will have a serious shot at winning the title.

 Riccardo Says:
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:06 pm
The Republicans, and even his rivals in the Democratic party, are going to crucify him in the heat of the campaign. They will drudge up every little detail.

And further:

….attended a Muslim school in Indonesia, a “madrassa” , when living here as a child, and suggested that he attempted to conceal the fact, that further, he may still be a closet Muslim and sympathetic to the Muslim radical cause.

If these people are trying to say he is an Al-Qaeda plant that’s just silly. Even THEY are not stupid enough to think every detail of his will not be scrutinized down to the tiniest mistake. If Qaeda or another group was trying to get someone elected, it would be a far better strategy if they’d have just taken an “acceptable” W.A.S.P-looking person and turned him — by brainwashing, carrot$ and/or stick.

The KGB knew that, the Mossad and CIA still do. Would anyone think the Mossad is going to put a nice Jew boy up for president in a Muslim country? Not gonna happen. They take a local guy and turn him, then he runs for PM or president or whatever suits them at the time.

The cynic in me says even Obama knows he doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in Hades, but what he and I do know is that there are several million dollars in “campaign funding” that will be tossed his way.

 Rockstar Says:
January 24th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Jon,

For the president candidate, maybe Giuliani.
But I like Sen. Mitch McConnell as a person as well.

 Grace and Mercy Says:
January 24th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
I saw a news report on CNN last night about this. He actually went to SDN Besuki in Jl. Besuki, Menteng.

 Joy Says:
January 24th, 2007 at 11:47 pm
Rockstar,
I like Giuliani, too. I don’t know about Sen. Mitch McConnel (I am from Texas).
Will keep them in mind come election day.

 Ade Says:
January 25th, 2007 at 8:50 am
I saw a news report on CNN last night about this. He actually went to SDN Besuki in Jl. Besuki, Menteng.

And if you noticed, SDN Besuki is a public school, not a Moslem school. Since most of the students are Moslem, in Indonesian public school, they teach Islamic religion, but the non-Moslem can still learn their own religion separated from their Moslem friends.

 David Says:
January 26th, 2007 at 1:25 am
If the election was held today, no way I’d vote for Osama Obama or Hilary – both smooth talkers but lightweights when it comes to defense/national defense. My vote goes to Duncan Hunter for President.

 1ndra Says:
January 27th, 2007 at 8:21 am
Yes I see his ‘bad’ side, a black, a Muslim and an Indonesian product.
What a lucky day in a narrow minded country.

 Ali Says:
January 29th, 2007 at 6:47 am
Well not so quick, 1ndra – he’s not a Muslim.

 1ndra Says:
January 29th, 2007 at 11:05 am
Not so Muslim Ali, but at least he’s been declared as ‘Muslim doctrined’.

 Pmunaan Says:
January 29th, 2007 at 11:50 pm
Just a piece of history. All US Presidents (past and present) have been WASP and male with the exception of perhaps Van Buren, the two Roosevelts and Eisenhower whose names sound somewhat Dutch to me. Kennedy was Catholic and they shot him.

The British had Disraeli who was Jewish and Maggie Thatcher. The French had a Jewish PM in the 30’s. The Soviets, of course, had Leon Trotsky.

I used to remember when they used to say that you have to be Javanese, Muslim and male to be Prez of Indo. The fact is neither Habibie and Megawati fit that category.

It’ll be the day when the US gets a Prez who is black or female or non Protestant (definitely not a Jew or a Muslim). So don’t bet on Obama or Mrs. Clinton or Giuliani, they may be good but they aren’t WASP male.

Well, I guess this is one area where I think we are more progressive than the US, at least we had a female Prez.

 sgn Says:
January 30th, 2007 at 12:29 am
Well, I guess this is one area where I think we are more progressive than the US, at least we had a female Prez.

It sounds like, we are better than American because we speak English but they don’t speak Indonesian.

 

 Dimp Says:
January 30th, 2007 at 4:25 am
I just don’t get it, why we are always proud that we have a female President, again it shows that Indonesian only look at “kulit” and not “isi”. The real democracy doesn’t consider race, gender, religion, they decide based on merit.

 Grace and Mercy Says:
January 30th, 2007 at 11:58 am
I just don’t get it, why we are always proud that we have a female President, again it shows that Indonesian only look at “kulit” and not “isi” . The real democracy doesn’t consider race, gender, religion, they decide based on merit.

I agree!! I would be proud of a GOOD President regardless of race, gender, religion.

 Peter LevEnda Says:
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:39 am
I read the comments with great interest, because it’s important to know what Indonesians think about a potential “Indonesian” US president.

The importance for Indonesia, and the rest of the world, is this: when was the last time the United States had a president who had actually lived overseas (and I don’t mean only Bill Clinton in the UK when he was at Oxford!). Senator Obama had a Kenyan Muslim father, and spent four years living in Indonesia. That kind of background gives him insights and sensitivities to cultures outside the USA that other presidential candidates simply don’t have. That kind of exposure is very important; had George Bush lived in Indonesia for four years, we would not have the Iraq War today (of that I am convinced). It is the blindness of American leaders when it comes to cultures and ideas outside the US that has led the country into so many foreign policy blunders. Sen. Obama will obviously have a better take on Islam, on Asia, on Southeast Asia, and of course on Indonesia in particular, than any other candidate so far. I have no idea how he will perform on domestic US issues, but I feel confident he would handle foreign policy issues a lot more intelligently.

I don’t think he is an expert on Asia or Indonesia or Islam; don’t get me wrong. But his mind will not be closed. It’s already been opened.

 1ndra Says:
February 3rd, 2007 at 11:20 am
True Peter, we need an open minded leader to solve the conflict problems, the one that isn’t sideweighted.

 Tomaculum Says:
February 3rd, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Peter Levenda,

That kind of background gives him insights and sensitivities to cultures outside the USA that other presidential candidates simply don’t have. That kind of exposure is very important; had George Bush lived in Indonesia for four years, we would not have the Iraq War today (of that I am convinced).

Are you sure, Peter? You know it yourself, that the leaders of the more or less democratic states cannot decide everything themselves 100%-ly. They have to consider the wishes and the views of the nation, not only of their supporters. Maybe Obama would have a better take of Islam, but what about the other? Would he able to resist the pressure?

Yes I see his ‘bad’ side, a black, a Muslim and an Indonesian product.
What a lucky day in a narrow minded country.

Btw: Indonesia waits for the first (female or male) president, which is not “indigenous”. Maybe Indonesia will have then more open minded view?

 Ihaknt Says:
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:25 pm
One word about our female president ibu Mega, HOPELESS! She didn’t do much, and the country seemed to come to a halt when she ruled. Oh hang on, isn’t it about the same now?

 1ndra Says:
February 3rd, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Indonesia waits for the first (female or male) president, which is not “indigenous” . Maybe Indonesia will have then more open minded view?

We should sign up for the next election Tom.

 Tomaculum Says:
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Would you be my first supporter? Hope not the only one!

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 1ndra Says:
February 3rd, 2007 at 6:38 pm
We’ll fight each other dude, the rules are no dirty tricks and money talks.
LOL

 Tomaculum Says:
February 3rd, 2007 at 7:18 pm
OK, let our charms decide!!! I love it!! 🙂

 Andrew Says:
February 10th, 2007 at 1:52 am
I’d say Achmad Sudarsono should run for president.

:))

 Dimp Says:
February 10th, 2007 at 4:34 am
Maybe he is one already.

Also on this note I would like to declare my intention to run for the 2009 Elections.

My goal is to get every Indonesians to be able to get a “dancing pants”. These pants will be automated, so every people will be able to dance like professionals, they will be powered by solar panels so it is very environmental-friendly. They will be equipped with “bad behaviour” sensors so when anyone tried to act unlawfully, the pants will freeze and they won’t be able to move, making them the laughing stock of the other “dancers”.

I will also change the name of our country to “In-dance-sia”

 Tomaculum Says:
February 10th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Ihaknt :
she did much for Indonesia with her speechlessness! Imagine what could happen if she said more!
 :)

 Spirit Walker Says:
February 12th, 2007 at 9:56 pm
I believe Obama is the most confident speaker I have ever had the pleasure of hearing & seeing. Besides the words, his body language is conferming his statements. OH what a change from the current goverment representatives (ALL OF THEM).

I just truely hope the voters in this country do not do whats so typical for us all to do, on some level as americans and that is become so buizzy whith our lives Then notice the road has taken a wrong turn,then ban together make necessary adjustments to start back on right coarse then get buizzy again and asume it will all be ok from there. We must encourage each other to stay focused on the goverment. And I know Obama is a politician and I dont trust him 100%.

However I would feel proud to have him speak for this country.

The citizens of this country (the majority) are honest – look a man in the eye – kind of people, I am convinced Obama is also.

 Diederick Says:
March 22nd, 2007 at 5:42 am
I have lived some year in Indonesia, and this public schools are not at all madrassas. They are just regular schools, the fanatics would not send their children to this schools. Of course Indonesia is a very old fashioned country so the curriculum of these schools will be a bit shaky. But on the other hand Obama will have had a enormous experience, unlike when he would have attended a international school there.
Furthermore there is a mistake in his biography of Obama. When he was living in Indonesia his mother (divorced from her former Kenyan spouse), was married to an Indonesian.

 Tira Hamid Says:
May 19th, 2007 at 9:18 pm
I’m very proud if one day OBAMA would be the president of United States. I wonder where Maya is now and my dream is to see Obama and his family and hopefully that Obama would change the image of Muslim Country such as Indonesia.

Besuki is not madrasah and not Muslim school but use Muslim as the basic just like my school SD Tjokroaminoto in Menteng too.

VOTE FOR OBAMA and would love to baby sit his children.

 Anita Says:
May 22nd, 2007 at 2:10 pm
I think Obama has a better perspectives about developing countries, and knows better that pelople in developing countries are human being too. Not only Americans.

 Rex D. Lores Says:
June 7th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
America, at the dawn of the 21st century, is the lone superpower. Its politics and political leadership cast a long shadow over world affairs, and the policies that emanate from the White House can have a strong and decisive influence on global issues.

Thus, while the U.S. presidency belongs formally to Americans, the man or woman who occupies the Oval Office becomes the de facto leader of all peoples aspiring to freedom, peace and economic stability.

As a Filipino, I have watched with increasing dismay as Mr. Bush and the Republicans mismanaged and caricatured the promise of America. As we all struggle to respond to the problems of terrorism, genocide in Africa, the dilemma of the Middle East, poverty and insurgency in Asia, there is an urgent need for an American leader who can re-kindle the universal hope that ours can be a better world.

The charismatic Barack Obama– in his words and in his vision — moves us towards this hope. He has the integrity, the intellect, and the character to be both an American president and a genuine leader of the world.

America, please vote for Barack Obama.

 Giulio Says:
December 28th, 2007 at 10:30 pm
This is ridiculous; Indonesia has the biggest Muslim population in the world. Just because Barack may be a muslim, doesn’t mean that he’s a terrorist. This is ignorant jargon

 Jeff Horn Says:
December 29th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
Well think about it Hilary Clinton promised healthcare to all Americans and didn’t deliver years ago when she was first lady. Why would anyone think things would be different now if she were elected?? If Americans Barack Obama knew about his attending a Muslim school they would probably be very paranoid about it, even though he was in the 5th grade. Reason being is most of us are ignorant and not that educated(despite popular beliefs). The only wild card is maybe it didn’t get enough press and Americans are so busy working long hours that he could slip by and win. Its a dicey situation for the Obama camp…but probably the most deciding wild card factor that could determine the whole election. Thats probably why they posted it up here, it could have great historical signifigance.

 Peter Sprang Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:45 pm
For two years I have spent most of my time in Jakarta and I thought I am well informed but only today I learned that Obama had spent a few of his childhood years here. What a great experience for Obama! He must have found people in Jakarta very tolerant! At least this past Christmas time it was clear to see how this Muslim society accepts and to some extend even participates in other religious festive seasons. One the news you read that people are afraid of attacks on churches but the churches were packed and the one I went to could do with two policemen at the gate not checking half as carefully as they do at the international hotels. It stayed peaceful and in practice I felt it to be natural and honest how Muslims wish Christians a “Salamat Natal”. And not only the shopping malls but even the small supermarket around the corner made their staff wear red Christmas hats and play Christmas music. None of the Muslims would make a statement or protest in front of the supermarket. It seemed everybody enjoys the change and entertaining aspect of it. In two years I have not met any Indonesian who would raise religion as a point of discussion. My impression is that people here in Jakarta certainly have not discovered Obama as a point of discussion either. There are bigger day to day issues facing this city: right now floods strike again and the rise of gas and cooking oil prices is tough on the lower income households. Something Obama will have to consider when it is time to set guidelines for the import of crude palm oil to meet his energy targets. The rate of conversion of (High Conservation Value) Forest into palm oil plantations is high and eco-certification of such plantations is just beginning.

 Mark Says:
January 9th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Obama good, Hillary bad. I am a republican in the south, I of course would rather see a rupub. win but would not be upset to see obama win, I actually like the guy, and the fact that he lived in Indonesia (like the guy above said, a pretty tolerant country, I have many friends there muslim and christian, there’s little tension between religions) may make him better at understanding the plight of that part of the world (something bush doesn’t get). I don’t think he could be radical, does anyone out there even do the same things they did in the 5th grade? (or even remember 5th grade, Jeff Foxworthy makes it clear we don’t.)

I think obama has a good shot at winning the election, as long as he beats hellary and doofys not in the white house anymore, I’ll be happy! Sampai bertemu lagi!

 Victor Pursang Says:
January 30th, 2008 at 3:18 am
Mesdamess et Messieurs:
The correspondence about barack shows Americans are mostly ignorant of the world but fortunately you have a few that are understanding and well-informed.
One questions remains to be answered : Did he return to the USA because he had to follow his mom or did he correctly surmised that Indonesia is not a country you can thrive in.
Also why haven’t we seen a good picture of his mom so far.
I lived in Indonesia for 28 years but thank god now live in Canada!

 Rafly Says:
February 4th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Barrack Obama ?

In fact, Are America people dont have choice.
after :

1. Bush clone
2. Clinton clone ( ??? )

poor America’s people…

Keep Fight Obama

 Lystia Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
How come having an islamic based education is suddenly so profoundly significant. Obama spilled it himself that he’s not a really religious person anyways, right?
So how come this such thing has been an issue to talk about?
Having 90% Muslim in the country does not mean that we will be “indoctrinated in extremist Muslim ideolog”.
Come on we’re better than that, we’re an extreme democrats also!

 Joseph Erwin Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 12:52 am
I am an American, born in California, and living in Pennsylvania. I have been to Indonesia about 20 times, between 1985 and 2000, spending most of my time there in various parts of Sulawesi, but also going to other areas, including Jawa Barat, Jawa Tengah, Surabaya, Bali, Lombok, Sumba, Ambon, Kalimantan, and other places. I met many wonderful people there, from diverse backgrounds, traditions, religions, cultures, etc. I am pleased that some of these people are continuing friends. Sadly, I have lost touch with others, but I think of them often and maintain high regard for them. Through these people, and through direct experience in many parts of Indonesia, I am aware that not everyone there loves everyone else. There are some deeply based rivalries and hatreds, and that is sad. But I can say that I was always treated with respect and consideration, with only a few minor exceptions that meant nothing. My attitude toward Indonesia and Indonesians is very positive. I must say, however, that most Americans are COMPLETELY ignorant of Indonesia. They do not even know where it is. The level of ignorance in America is ASTONISHING! I am supportive of Obama for President of the USA, not just because he actually knows where the fourth most populous nation in the world is, but that helps. That he probably remembers some Bahasa Indonesia, is cool too. He is aware of some other cultures at a depth that is uncommon in our leaders. I think he is inspiring and bright. Amazing! A candidate who can write! Of course, Bill and Hillary are also literate and bright. All in stark contrast to our current President. I am hoping for the best. At present, Obama has made a very strong showing and has widespread support. We still have some racist bigots in America, but we are not ALL that way, and maybe enough are now able to recognize talent and merit that we can elect someone who is remarkably inspiring.

 Odinius Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 4:56 am
The racist bigots “won’t vote fer no woman either.” 

I think it’s great that the possible next president used to live in Indonesia. It’s good for Indonesia, no doubt, but it’s just generally good to have the most powerful person in the world be well acquainted with what life is like in the developing world.

 Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
It was highly likely that Barrack Obama had come in contact with some wise Javanese men during his growing up years in Java. Hopefully he get into White House and promote Javanese brotherhood to the Jews and Arabs.

 Suradiparlan Says:
February 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Come on man…. we Indonesian consider the state run school as secular school and even for those schooling there the whole life we do not believe that he/she will graduate as religious ( any religion ), this is due to the government run school teach very limited religious lessons…. maybe Obama should go to communist run school in order not to be suspected as islamist
Cheers

 MagnificaLuna Says:
February 17th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Obama’s in the lead. Whoo hooo… That means USA citizens (well, at least Democrats) are not ignorant after all. It’s good to know that Obama could be USA’s next president. We could use an open-minded and literate leader like him. Not a president whose favorite childhood story was The Very Hungry Caterpillar (I’ve read Michael Moore’s Stupid White Men, and he said that book wasn’t even published until a year after the recent prez’s graduated from college) :)) Hillarious. We need a leader whose childhood toys weren’t guns (well, recent prez’s old man IS kind of fond of weapons). Maybe that’s why he loves war. No wonder many people hate Americans. Cos most people tend to see the leader as the example. And this isn’t fair for Americans for most of them are decent people. Anyway, I wish him good luck, and hopefully, when he eventually visit Indonesia, he’ll be visiting as THE PRESIDENT OF USA.

 Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
February 18th, 2008 at 12:43 am
I will be writing a letter to Barrack Obama in Bahasa Jovo soon.

Like myself, he posseses the same charisma and good-look as all Javanese leaders and heroes. Something tells me once he is nominated, he will promote ‘Javanese brotherhood’ as a universal social concept. My letter will carry suggestion of sending Javanese Walis (like The Wali Songo) to broker peace in the Middle East, pre-emptive strike on Arab nations to save our Brown sisters, amongst others. Another other suggestions from IM readers will be much appreciated.

 Hadz Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 4:09 am
Lol,

Is this like a big issue? No.

Obama lived in Indonesia when he was little, and he also attended a Catholic School. Yes, his father is a Muslim, but that doesn’t mean he is a very religious Muslim, in fact, his father is not..

I mean, come on, not all Muslims are bad.. Some Muslims are just sick, but not entirely all of them. There are also Christians and Catholics and people with other religions who are just as sick, and the amount can be larger, even..

Whenever people stereotype the Muslims, it’s so silly it makes me laugh..

Do you want me to stereotype the Americans? Like oh, they are dumb and so stupid! Because that is how outsiders sometime stereotype them.. But that doesn’t mean all Americans are dumb..

I am a Muslim, and I am an Indonesian.. Though I’m still 13, I understand very well this stereotyping issue..

I live in the Netherlands, and people here think Muslims are like so bad, I know how it feels that people are like scared of me. It hurts my feelings, I’m in an International School, so that adds to my misery.

Please think again before you stereotype and state your statements here saying how Obama will be a terrorist.. Do you expect me to be someday, a person who is going to blow the Empire State Building, or.. oh, oh, the Eiffel Tower! That’s really retarded..😄

 Hadz Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 4:18 am
As for Democrate Candidates, I think Hillary Clinton has more chance then Obama.
It is not his 2 years in a Muslim school and another 2 years in a Catholic school, but Hillary is more popular and better knowledge and experience while her husband was the president.

Aww…😄 But the fact is that today (21st Feb 08) in the news, they say that Obama has a bigger chance to win now than Clinton..

I seriously think that Obama will be a better president, if he wins, then he who is black and with a little Muslim background who knows how really awful it is to be stereotyped badly especially in a place like the States, maybe he can help with the stereotype of the Muslims! Lol..

If Hillary wins, maybe the Iraq War will be much and MUCH worse.. And all Muslims and Blacks and those other people who they stereotype to be bad are going to be much and MUCH more cornered..

 Teng Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 4:21 am
I live in the Netherlands, and people here think Muslims are like so bad, I know how it feels that people are like scared of me. It hurts my feelings.

Not all of us Dutchies think that way mate.  The majority doesn’t hate muslims.

… too bad the muslim-bashers in Holland have such a big mouth.. it’s like our own version of the FPI/MUI (but an atheistic one).

 Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 4:38 am
@ Hadz

Do you have permission from your parents to post here? Isn’t it past bedtime for boys and girls in Holland?

Wasalam.

 Lairedion Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 5:56 am
“¦ too bad the muslim-bashers in Holland have such a big mouth.. its like our own version of the FPI/MUI (but an atheistic one)

If Geert Wilders becomes the next perdana menteri of Holland, he will surely legalize a Front Pembela Atheis….

 Odinius Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 9:54 am
“¦ too bad the muslim-bashers in Holland have such a big mouth.. it’s like our own version of the FPI/MUI (but an atheistic one).

Man, you just hit on a pet peeve of mine…atheists who blast the religious for being dogmatic and then do not accept that there is a possibility they could be wrong about something no one can objectively prove.

 Teng Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 2:52 pm
If Geert Wilders becomes the next perdana menteri of Holland, he will surely legalize a Front Pembela Atheis”¦.

No, Geert is a big fan of Judo-Christian culture… he just really hates islam.

No way that guy will be perdana menteri… and if it does happen.. I might just leave Holland

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 Lairedion Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 5:34 pm
No, Geert is a big fan of Judo-Christian culture”¦ he just really hates islam.

That might be true. I suspect him of being a Mossad agent, influenced by his Hungarian-Jewish wife.

 richard s. ehrlich Says:
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Greetings Indonesia Matters forum,

I am the Bangkok-based correspondent for the Washington Times and international media.

I’m now working on a story about U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama — and would like to receive some responses from you, via email.

If possible, could you please *reply* by email to me, with your answers to the following 10 questions?

Please elaborate on your answers in as much detail as possible, so your replies can be understood in the context of what you mean.

I’d also like to quote you by name, so please include whatever job title you now have, and a brief description of your work, how long you have lived in Indonesia, and any other biographical bits.

If it is impossible to use your name in print alongside your quotes, could you please offer an alternative to describe you?

Your replies would be considered as quotes for possible publication in the Washington Times and international media.

I am on deadline, so I would need your reply immediately — so please hit the *reply* button now if you can.

Here are my 10 questions:

1. Are you, and other Indonesians you may know, aware that Barack Obama lived for a couple of years in Jakarta as a child? If so, how did you first find out?

2. How interested are you, and other Indonesians you may know, in Mr. Obama’s attempt to be the next U.S. president? Why?

3. Is Mr. Obama more interesting to you, and other Indonesians you may know, than other candidates in the current U.S. election? If so, why? If not, why not?

4. Does Mr. Obama’s childhood link to Indonesia mean anything to you? If so, why? If not, why not?

5. Do you think Mr. Obama is in any way influenced by his childhood link to Indonesia? In what ways?

6. How do you think Mr. Obama compares to the current U.S. President George W. Bush?

7. How excited, or interested, are you, and other Indonesians you may know, about Mr. Obama because of his childhood link to Indonesia? Why?

8. When you, and other Indonesians you may know, receive news updates about Mr. Obama, do you continue to feel some special connection to him as a candidate because of his childhood link to Indonesia? If so, is that feeling increasing or decreasing with time?

9. Do you, and other Indonesians you may know, share any personal coincidences with Mr. Obama — for example: do you live near where he lived, or have relatives who attend one of his childhood schools, etc?

10. Do you, and other Indonesians you may know, think Mr. Obama has a good understanding of Indonesia because of his childhood links? Or has there not been any major influence on him in that way?

If there is anything I haven’t asked, which you would like to mention, please feel free to make your reply as long as possible so I have a wide selection of quotes to choose from.

Apologies for the rush, and this email out of the blue, but I hope you are able to reply.

Cheers,

Richard S. Ehrlich

P.S. For more information about my work, please feel free to visit my website:

http://www.geocities.com/asia_correspondent

 Ed Ski Says:
February 26th, 2008 at 5:58 am
I doubt very many of us (especially those of us who are now in our late 40s – early 50s) have vivid memories from the time we were six to eight years old. There are undoubtedly some memories good and bad, but probably nothing that would influence a child of that age to have either pro or anti American or Indonesian sentiments.

 Politic Says:
February 26th, 2008 at 6:37 am
It is very sad that american’s have forgot that we are a democracy, a melting pot of many people.

In order for us to succeed we succeed with all the people. So what if he is Muslim, is not their americans who are Muslim.

When someone in america bombs schools that children live in we don’t say the ethnicity or the religion that person comes from is a problem. So why the new racism towards
muslims.

If we don’t get it right we are on the road of Rome.

Politic.

 Hadz Says:
March 5th, 2008 at 4:07 am
Can’t believe people replied to my post..😄

Like omg, I sleep at about 12 am.. I’ve got homework and project and such..

Ive got 5 projects due this week, and havent done each one of them.. so retarded!

Anyhow, you used to be 13 – 14 like me.. right???

– – – – –

My friends here are like so scared of me cuz Im moslem, Indonesian, i bring knife to school, im so all wearing black.

I USED to bring a swiss army knife to school cuz then i feel like im bigger.. lol, i dont anymore though..

Just because I love knifes and black.. Doesnt mean Im dangerous!! :D:D

Lol, they were like “OMG! He’s an emo!” “Dangerous Moslem!”

Ugh!!! Stereotype is making my life much harder!!

– – – – –

Im sick of English, anyone speak indonesian? or malay at least..

 Hadz Says:
March 5th, 2008 at 4:15 am
If Geert Wilders becomes the next perdana menteri of Holland, he will surely legalize a Front Pembela Atheis”¦.

Seriously? Thats sux..

I heard that a year ago, the woman arent allowed anymre to wear those kind of scarf black thingy that the Iraqi people (I think?) wear.. Lol, that covers the mouth and only the eyes are visible..

My grammar is so messed up, I have to do my stuff again… -.-!

 mac Says:
March 5th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
I thinks the past should be let be past..its the future we need to think about. For Obama, no matter if he really is attended Indonesian school or not, because if he’s capable on turning back the states into its original form, i think he’s deserve a chance. Look what Bush did to the states, i think what Bush did is even worst than the islamic.

 Teng Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 2:49 am
My friends here are like so scared of me cuz Im moslem, Indonesian, i bring knife to school, im so all wearing black.

This is not stereotyping… you are wearing black and constantely bringing a knife to school… ofcourse people fear that. Little weird to put that off as “stereotype”. I bet the Knife part was scarier than the muslim part.

We have 1 million muslims in Holland… thats not really a thing we get scared of. Knifes at school on the other hand.

I heard that a year ago, the woman arent allowed anymre to wear those kind of scarf black thingy that the Iraqi people (I think?) wear.. Lol, that covers the mouth and only the eyes are visible..

You mean burqa. It’s not true. They are still allowed in Holland. Only place you can’t wear a burqa is in the government or as a teacher. A jilbab is almost always allowed accept as a judge, because they can’t wear any signs of religion.

 Hadz Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 3:47 am
This is not stereotyping”¦ you are wearing black and constantely bringing a knife to school”¦ ofcourse people fear that. Little weird to put that off as “stereotype”. I bet the Knife part was scarier than the muslim part.

We have 1 million muslims in Holland”¦ thats not really a thing we get scared of. Knifes at school on the other hand.

You’re right, lol.. Come to think of it, but my personality is different.. I’m nice, caring!😄

In my school however, there are loads of Jewish people, and of course they hate Moslem..  But they’re nice..

I guess you’re right. I think it’s just me.. ;D

You mean burqa. It’s not true. They are still allowed in Holland. Only place you can’t wear a burqa is in the government or as a teacher. A jilbab is almost always allowed accept as a judge, because they can’t wear any signs of religion.

My mom wears jilbab..  I still see though one or two woman this year (So its been 3 months) wear burqa..

 art Says:
March 9th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
I think we should adapt ourselves to different surrounding. As a Muslim, do not over doing anything especially like bring a knife to school. That will just make the situation worst. We have to be professional about it. Show to the world how lovely Islam is.

 Rose Says:
March 15th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
I hope Mr Obama wins. He is the man for the job. America needs a change. We are ready!!

 M. Says:
April 19th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Sorry to burst everybody’s bubble(s), but I honestly can’t bring myself to be all excited about any of the presidential candidates, including Obama. Obama may be closer to my positions on a number of things, but, there’s just some sort of instinct in me that can’t bring myself to really trust him, either. Also, I really don’t want to get my hopes up too high, because, as often happens, disappointment will reign.

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 dewaratugedeanom Says:
May 12th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Notwithstanding Obama’s qualities as a president, the mere fact that a non-bule man gets access to the position of the mightiest man in the world will be ‘a giant leap for mankind’ in the direction of world peace. My feeling is that somehow, with the exception of the Middle East, it will be a boost of morale for every non-Caucasian nation in the world.
The only question is how long will he last before the Ku Klux Klan or some wacko redneck gets him.

 Ross Says:
June 20th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Seems a pity this thread has gone quiet, so let’s try to kick-start it.

Dewaratugedeanom, surely America could have found a better black man if it needs to break the mould?
There’s a black Supreme Court Justice infinitely more qualified, there’s an Asian-origin Governor of Louisiana, plus many more.
It seems a shame that the mainstream media are covering up a lot of stuff about Obama’s background, giving him an easy run when he’d being interviewed.
It’s also a shame that so many black voters seem determined to vote on colour grounds alone.

 Achmad Sudarsono Says:
June 20th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Ross,

I see you’ve crawled out of the slime of the Blok M sewers to bore us all again with your predictable comments and back-of-a-cornflakes packet logic.

It’s predictable that you revile the idea of a Black Man ruling the United States, so often the avenging angel of the Bule, its flag the last soiled, boxer shirts of the Blok-M derelict.

But welcome back, Ross, I needed a mental holiday.

 Lairedion Says:
June 20th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Ross said:

It seems a shame that the mainstream media are covering up a lot of stuff about Obama’s background

Of course it’s better to believe the “reliable” conservative media who are constantly highlighting Obama’s middle name Hussein, his allegedly Indonesian Muslim background (Obama got some of his education in a pesantren, didn’t he?) thus playing the “fear of Muslim” trick card by spreading false rumours a disguised Muslim is running fro president.

Blaming the Blacks to vote on colour grounds is hypocrite. The US is built on the power base of WASP’s (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants). The WASP’s have run this country since the foundation (only one none-WASP president, Irish-Catholic JFK) and their puritan ancestors have had a massive influence and for a large part shaped the US’ culture. For a long period minorities, especially Blacks and Native Americans but also white Irish-Catholics, were treated as second-class citizens, well after the abolishment of slavery. Until deep in the 20th century racial segregation laws existed in a large part of the Southern States. This is possibly the reason why the US as a developed Western nation still have a conservative outlook deeply rooted in Protestantism and Christianity in general compared to other developed Western nations.

Race will always be an issue. Even Billary herself used white, blue-collar fears of Barack Obama to try to stop him from getting nominated or elected. She played on his “elitism” by hammering him on blue-collar issues and minced no words in painting him as a stranger to blue-collar white America. Obama’s former Reverend Wright may have uttered insensible statements but one should not underestimate the feelings of Blacks after centuries of ill-treatment.

 Christi Says:
July 14th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
I’ve noticed that everybody thinks Indonesia is a moslem country. And people have been making a big fuss about it, because people think that since Obama lived in a moslem country, he was a moslem himself, or had been taught about moslem and people are scared of that, because USA is a christian country and all.

In fact, Indonesia is NOT a moslem country. It never declares to be one. Indonesia is simply a non-moslem country with the most moslem population in the whole world. Or so I’ve read. Nearly 80% of the populace is moslem, but it has never been a moslem country. Other religions are admitted : Buddist, Christian, Hindu and Chatolic.

So I just want to clarify stuffs, coz I noticed that this has been a serioius issue.

 Milton Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Well yes Obama did attend a muslim school this article proves it but that doesnt mean he is a muslim extremist it also said he attended a catholic and that doesn’t mean he is a catholic extremist it just shows that he is knowledgeable in many religions another thing the article said there were people of all sorts of religions at the school and that they would go to a separate classroom to be taught in there religion.

“90% were Muslims, he said, but that was only because most Indonesians were Muslim. Non-Muslim students receive religious instruction in their own religion, in a separate classroom.”

Another thing he became a member of United Church of Christ not some muslim church thing and it really doesn’t matter where they came from lets say I was from Brazil and I went to a public school that taught views about catholicism I yes would’ve been taught in that religion but I might not be catholic just because I went somewhere doesn’t mean I am that something.

 Andy Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
I am curious as to who Indonesians like most in the upcoming US Presidential election. Reason I ask is that Indonesians on their own soil and within the Asian region generally love the tough, hardline, conservative nationalist leader. Yet in the west they tend to like the more left leaning, liberal, sharing and caring guy. Paul Keating, for example, was more liked by Indonesians than his own people yet Howard, Bush etc are not.
Now I just wonder if deep down they believe the left will be easier to deal with in their region.

Now, Obama would be popular solely for being educated in Indonesia. Bit like they way you always accept a popular sporting identit into the fold after they migrate to your country.

But here goes, Indonesians, who would you like to see triumph in November?

 Oigal Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
But welcome back, Ross, I needed a mental holiday

But how could the rest of us tell you were taking the holiday…such is life

 Purba Negoro Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Republican is preferential as they do not poke their nose into the internal affairs of soveriegn nations that do not concern them.
Mochtar Riady bought Bill Clinton’s favours to assist the downfall of Suharto.

George Bush Snr campaigned very hard for non interference in Indonesian soverign affairs
George Bush Jnr was a key figure in removing ridiculous bed-wetters arms embargo

The Democrats have a lot to learn from Jimmy Carter- he was a very good Us president for Indonesia.
Otherwise, like all Leftists, they are emotionally immature idiot intent on superficially changeing the world while enjoying lifestyle of limousine and private jets.

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 Lairedion Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 5:34 pm
No, Geert is a big fan of Judo-Christian culture”¦ he just really hates islam.

That might be true. I suspect him of being a Mossad agent, influenced by his Hungarian-Jewish wife.

 richard s. ehrlich Says:
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Greetings Indonesia Matters forum,

I am the Bangkok-based correspondent for the Washington Times and international media.

I’m now working on a story about U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama — and would like to receive some responses from you, via email.

If possible, could you please *reply* by email to me, with your answers to the following 10 questions?

Please elaborate on your answers in as much detail as possible, so your replies can be understood in the context of what you mean.

I’d also like to quote you by name, so please include whatever job title you now have, and a brief description of your work, how long you have lived in Indonesia, and any other biographical bits.

If it is impossible to use your name in print alongside your quotes, could you please offer an alternative to describe you?

Your replies would be considered as quotes for possible publication in the Washington Times and international media.

I am on deadline, so I would need your reply immediately — so please hit the *reply* button now if you can.

Here are my 10 questions:

1. Are you, and other Indonesians you may know, aware that Barack Obama lived for a couple of years in Jakarta as a child? If so, how did you first find out?

2. How interested are you, and other Indonesians you may know, in Mr. Obama’s attempt to be the next U.S. president? Why?

3. Is Mr. Obama more interesting to you, and other Indonesians you may know, than other candidates in the current U.S. election? If so, why? If not, why not?

4. Does Mr. Obama’s childhood link to Indonesia mean anything to you? If so, why? If not, why not?

5. Do you think Mr. Obama is in any way influenced by his childhood link to Indonesia? In what ways?

6. How do you think Mr. Obama compares to the current U.S. President George W. Bush?

7. How excited, or interested, are you, and other Indonesians you may know, about Mr. Obama because of his childhood link to Indonesia? Why?

8. When you, and other Indonesians you may know, receive news updates about Mr. Obama, do you continue to feel some special connection to him as a candidate because of his childhood link to Indonesia? If so, is that feeling increasing or decreasing with time?

9. Do you, and other Indonesians you may know, share any personal coincidences with Mr. Obama — for example: do you live near where he lived, or have relatives who attend one of his childhood schools, etc?

10. Do you, and other Indonesians you may know, think Mr. Obama has a good understanding of Indonesia because of his childhood links? Or has there not been any major influence on him in that way?

If there is anything I haven’t asked, which you would like to mention, please feel free to make your reply as long as possible so I have a wide selection of quotes to choose from.

Apologies for the rush, and this email out of the blue, but I hope you are able to reply.

Cheers,

Richard S. Ehrlich

P.S. For more information about my work, please feel free to visit my website:

http://www.geocities.com/asia_correspondent

 Ed Ski Says:
February 26th, 2008 at 5:58 am
I doubt very many of us (especially those of us who are now in our late 40s – early 50s) have vivid memories from the time we were six to eight years old. There are undoubtedly some memories good and bad, but probably nothing that would influence a child of that age to have either pro or anti American or Indonesian sentiments.

 Politic Says:
February 26th, 2008 at 6:37 am
It is very sad that american’s have forgot that we are a democracy, a melting pot of many people.

In order for us to succeed we succeed with all the people. So what if he is Muslim, is not their americans who are Muslim.

When someone in america bombs schools that children live in we don’t say the ethnicity or the religion that person comes from is a problem. So why the new racism towards
muslims.

If we don’t get it right we are on the road of Rome.

Politic.

 Hadz Says:
March 5th, 2008 at 4:07 am
Can’t believe people replied to my post..😄

Like omg, I sleep at about 12 am.. I’ve got homework and project and such..

Ive got 5 projects due this week, and havent done each one of them.. so retarded!

Anyhow, you used to be 13 – 14 like me.. right???

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My friends here are like so scared of me cuz Im moslem, Indonesian, i bring knife to school, im so all wearing black.

I USED to bring a swiss army knife to school cuz then i feel like im bigger.. lol, i dont anymore though..

Just because I love knifes and black.. Doesnt mean Im dangerous!! :D:D

Lol, they were like “OMG! He’s an emo!” “Dangerous Moslem!”

Ugh!!! Stereotype is making my life much harder!!

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Im sick of English, anyone speak indonesian? or malay at least..

 Hadz Says:
March 5th, 2008 at 4:15 am
If Geert Wilders becomes the next perdana menteri of Holland, he will surely legalize a Front Pembela Atheis”¦.

Seriously? Thats sux..

I heard that a year ago, the woman arent allowed anymre to wear those kind of scarf black thingy that the Iraqi people (I think?) wear.. Lol, that covers the mouth and only the eyes are visible..

My grammar is so messed up, I have to do my stuff again… -.-!

 mac Says:
March 5th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
I thinks the past should be let be past..its the future we need to think about. For Obama, no matter if he really is attended Indonesian school or not, because if he’s capable on turning back the states into its original form, i think he’s deserve a chance. Look what Bush did to the states, i think what Bush did is even worst than the islamic.

 Teng Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 2:49 am
My friends here are like so scared of me cuz Im moslem, Indonesian, i bring knife to school, im so all wearing black.

This is not stereotyping… you are wearing black and constantely bringing a knife to school… ofcourse people fear that. Little weird to put that off as “stereotype”. I bet the Knife part was scarier than the muslim part.

We have 1 million muslims in Holland… thats not really a thing we get scared of. Knifes at school on the other hand.

I heard that a year ago, the woman arent allowed anymre to wear those kind of scarf black thingy that the Iraqi people (I think?) wear.. Lol, that covers the mouth and only the eyes are visible..

You mean burqa. It’s not true. They are still allowed in Holland. Only place you can’t wear a burqa is in the government or as a teacher. A jilbab is almost always allowed accept as a judge, because they can’t wear any signs of religion.

 Hadz Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 3:47 am
This is not stereotyping”¦ you are wearing black and constantely bringing a knife to school”¦ ofcourse people fear that. Little weird to put that off as “stereotype”. I bet the Knife part was scarier than the muslim part.

We have 1 million muslims in Holland”¦ thats not really a thing we get scared of. Knifes at school on the other hand.

You’re right, lol.. Come to think of it, but my personality is different.. I’m nice, caring!😄

In my school however, there are loads of Jewish people, and of course they hate Moslem..  But they’re nice..

I guess you’re right. I think it’s just me.. ;D

You mean burqa. It’s not true. They are still allowed in Holland. Only place you can’t wear a burqa is in the government or as a teacher. A jilbab is almost always allowed accept as a judge, because they can’t wear any signs of religion.

My mom wears jilbab..  I still see though one or two woman this year (So its been 3 months) wear burqa..

 art Says:
March 9th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
I think we should adapt ourselves to different surrounding. As a Muslim, do not over doing anything especially like bring a knife to school. That will just make the situation worst. We have to be professional about it. Show to the world how lovely Islam is.

 Rose Says:
March 15th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
I hope Mr Obama wins. He is the man for the job. America needs a change. We are ready!!

 M. Says:
April 19th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Sorry to burst everybody’s bubble(s), but I honestly can’t bring myself to be all excited about any of the presidential candidates, including Obama. Obama may be closer to my positions on a number of things, but, there’s just some sort of instinct in me that can’t bring myself to really trust him, either. Also, I really don’t want to get my hopes up too high, because, as often happens, disappointment will reign.

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 dewaratugedeanom Says:
May 12th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Notwithstanding Obama’s qualities as a president, the mere fact that a non-bule man gets access to the position of the mightiest man in the world will be ‘a giant leap for mankind’ in the direction of world peace. My feeling is that somehow, with the exception of the Middle East, it will be a boost of morale for every non-Caucasian nation in the world.
The only question is how long will he last before the Ku Klux Klan or some wacko redneck gets him.

 Ross Says:
June 20th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Seems a pity this thread has gone quiet, so let’s try to kick-start it.

Dewaratugedeanom, surely America could have found a better black man if it needs to break the mould?
There’s a black Supreme Court Justice infinitely more qualified, there’s an Asian-origin Governor of Louisiana, plus many more.
It seems a shame that the mainstream media are covering up a lot of stuff about Obama’s background, giving him an easy run when he’d being interviewed.
It’s also a shame that so many black voters seem determined to vote on colour grounds alone.

 Achmad Sudarsono Says:
June 20th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Ross,

I see you’ve crawled out of the slime of the Blok M sewers to bore us all again with your predictable comments and back-of-a-cornflakes packet logic.

It’s predictable that you revile the idea of a Black Man ruling the United States, so often the avenging angel of the Bule, its flag the last soiled, boxer shirts of the Blok-M derelict.

But welcome back, Ross, I needed a mental holiday.

 Lairedion Says:
June 20th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Ross said:

It seems a shame that the mainstream media are covering up a lot of stuff about Obama’s background

Of course it’s better to believe the “reliable” conservative media who are constantly highlighting Obama’s middle name Hussein, his allegedly Indonesian Muslim background (Obama got some of his education in a pesantren, didn’t he?) thus playing the “fear of Muslim” trick card by spreading false rumours a disguised Muslim is running fro president.

Blaming the Blacks to vote on colour grounds is hypocrite. The US is built on the power base of WASP’s (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants). The WASP’s have run this country since the foundation (only one none-WASP president, Irish-Catholic JFK) and their puritan ancestors have had a massive influence and for a large part shaped the US’ culture. For a long period minorities, especially Blacks and Native Americans but also white Irish-Catholics, were treated as second-class citizens, well after the abolishment of slavery. Until deep in the 20th century racial segregation laws existed in a large part of the Southern States. This is possibly the reason why the US as a developed Western nation still have a conservative outlook deeply rooted in Protestantism and Christianity in general compared to other developed Western nations.

Race will always be an issue. Even Billary herself used white, blue-collar fears of Barack Obama to try to stop him from getting nominated or elected. She played on his “elitism” by hammering him on blue-collar issues and minced no words in painting him as a stranger to blue-collar white America. Obama’s former Reverend Wright may have uttered insensible statements but one should not underestimate the feelings of Blacks after centuries of ill-treatment.

 Christi Says:
July 14th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
I’ve noticed that everybody thinks Indonesia is a moslem country. And people have been making a big fuss about it, because people think that since Obama lived in a moslem country, he was a moslem himself, or had been taught about moslem and people are scared of that, because USA is a christian country and all.

In fact, Indonesia is NOT a moslem country. It never declares to be one. Indonesia is simply a non-moslem country with the most moslem population in the whole world. Or so I’ve read. Nearly 80% of the populace is moslem, but it has never been a moslem country. Other religions are admitted : Buddist, Christian, Hindu and Chatolic.

So I just want to clarify stuffs, coz I noticed that this has been a serioius issue.

 Milton Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Well yes Obama did attend a muslim school this article proves it but that doesnt mean he is a muslim extremist it also said he attended a catholic and that doesn’t mean he is a catholic extremist it just shows that he is knowledgeable in many religions another thing the article said there were people of all sorts of religions at the school and that they would go to a separate classroom to be taught in there religion.

“90% were Muslims, he said, but that was only because most Indonesians were Muslim. Non-Muslim students receive religious instruction in their own religion, in a separate classroom.”

Another thing he became a member of United Church of Christ not some muslim church thing and it really doesn’t matter where they came from lets say I was from Brazil and I went to a public school that taught views about catholicism I yes would’ve been taught in that religion but I might not be catholic just because I went somewhere doesn’t mean I am that something.

 Andy Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
I am curious as to who Indonesians like most in the upcoming US Presidential election. Reason I ask is that Indonesians on their own soil and within the Asian region generally love the tough, hardline, conservative nationalist leader. Yet in the west they tend to like the more left leaning, liberal, sharing and caring guy. Paul Keating, for example, was more liked by Indonesians than his own people yet Howard, Bush etc are not.
Now I just wonder if deep down they believe the left will be easier to deal with in their region.

Now, Obama would be popular solely for being educated in Indonesia. Bit like they way you always accept a popular sporting identit into the fold after they migrate to your country.

But here goes, Indonesians, who would you like to see triumph in November?

 Oigal Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
But welcome back, Ross, I needed a mental holiday

But how could the rest of us tell you were taking the holiday…such is life

 Purba Negoro Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Republican is preferential as they do not poke their nose into the internal affairs of soveriegn nations that do not concern them.
Mochtar Riady bought Bill Clinton’s favours to assist the downfall of Suharto.

George Bush Snr campaigned very hard for non interference in Indonesian soverign affairs
George Bush Jnr was a key figure in removing ridiculous bed-wetters arms embargo

The Democrats have a lot to learn from Jimmy Carter- he was a very good Us president for Indonesia.
Otherwise, like all Leftists, they are emotionally immature idiot intent on superficially changeing the world while enjoying lifestyle of limousine and private jets.

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