Part2 BATAK KEPALA BATU

Batak-half Ambonese, singer, composer
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Marcel Siahaan (Batak-Chinese-Ambonese) > singer, actor
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Joy Destiny Tobing > the winner of Indonesian Idol 1
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Meisya Siregar > actress
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Rosianna Silalahi > famous indo tv anchor, the first tv anchor who interviewed George Bush live from Washington DC.
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Ruhut Sitompul > famous controversial lawyer and actor
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Dewi Lestari > famous writer and singer
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Bhaskara

QUOTE(furansizuka @ Nov 14 2006, 11:06 AM) *

I thought Rachel is half german-half sundanese confused.gif


Ugh…waiddaminnit, I think I was wrong about Rachel Maryam, sorry Furan!
Oh, one more thing. The Bataks have a unique way to greet each other. When I went to this Cultural Show about Batak, they say it out loud; “HORAS!”. I don’t know in what Batak language is that. Karo?There are also other greetings in other Bataks dialects, I just dont remember them…

anakjakarta84

QUOTE(jokotarub @ Nov 11 2006, 09:00 PM) *

Batak people are generally much more straightforward than some other ethnic groups, esp. Javanese and Sundanese, so they are often considered rude. Other ethnic groups who are similarly straightforward don’t seem to have any problem with that, e.g. I never heard any Makassarese complaining about Batak people being rude.

That’s true, Bataks are pretty straight-forward like Makassarese. I don’t think Bataks are rude; it’s just that they talk louder, faster and straight to the point, whereas people in Java are the opposite. What they’re known for: musicians and robbers. My professor once said to my Batak friend, “I like Bataks, they’re very fun people. But too many of them is not good, they may start robbing.”

They are from the province of North Sumatra. They’re Protestants (except for Batak Mandailing who are Muslims) and accepted their religion from German missionaries (from the 19th century I think) as oppose to Manados from the Dutch and Ambonese, East Timorese and Flores from Portuguese Catholic missionaries. And the ones I knew were very good friends and very funny people.

furansizuka

QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Nov 14 2006, 04:11 AM) *

Ugh…waiddaminnit, I think I was wrong about Rachel Maryam, sorry Furan!
Oh, one more thing. The Bataks have a unique way to greet each other. When I went to this Cultural Show about Batak, they say it out loud; “HORAS!”. I don’t know in what Batak language is that. Karo?There are also other greetings in other Bataks dialects, I just dont remember them…


Karo has its own greeting: ‘Mejuah juah’ or ‘Mejuah juah kita kerina’ (that’s what my grandma told me so biggrin.gif )

jokotarub

QUOTE(anakjakarta84 @ Nov 14 2006, 08:32 PM) *

That’s true, Bataks are pretty straight-forward like Makassarese. I don’t think Bataks are rude; it’s just that they talk louder, faster and straight to the point, whereas people in Java are the opposite. What they’re known for: musicians and robbers. My professor once said to my Batak friend, “I like Bataks, they’re very fun people. But too many of them is not good, they may start robbing.”


exactly. and the stereotype doesn’t help. there was an old joke of Bataks: when there’s one Batak, he/she’ll play guitar. when there’s two, they’ll play chess. when there’s three, they’ll sing as choir. but when there’s four –now this is where the joke varies: either they will sound like a market (i.e. very loud), or they will plan a robbery (!)
the fact that many high-profile lawyers are Bataks doesn’t help either. like in other countries, many people see lawyers as helping bad guys circumventing the law, and thus as bad as they are.

@furan: i’ve been for some time wondering what does that mean. could you please tell us?

Majapahitans
Batak the only ethnics next to Sundanese that can cook delicious recipe of Carp/Goldfish.
Sundanese has Pepes Ikan Mas, while Batak got Superb Arsik….. biggthumpup.gif
tangawizi

QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Nov 15 2006, 07:24 PM) *

Batak the only ethnics next to Sundanese that can cook delicious recipe of Carp/Goldfish.
Sundanese has Pepes Ikan Mas, while Batak got Superb Arsik….. biggthumpup.gif

Please can you give the recipes? I never thought you can eat goldfish! biggrin.gif

cewe_indonycian

QUOTE(tangawizi @ Nov 15 2006, 11:55 AM) *

……… I never thought you can eat goldfish! biggrin.gif


wakakakakkaa…
Carp (big ikan emas=ikan Lee koh?) are widely consumed in Indonesia (di bakar or pepes wrapped in banana leaves),
while Koi (small ikan emas) are kept purely as aquarium, pet fish.
however the Japanese do eat koi fish biggrin.gif… yumm,yumm

Koi (goldfish)
http://habitatnews.nus.edu.sg/guidebooks/f…/photos/223.jpg
Carp(ikan Mas)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/t…Common_carp.jpg
http://habitatnews.nus.edu.sg/guidebooks/f…/photos/227.jpg

furansizuka

QUOTE(jokotarub @ Nov 15 2006, 10:33 AM) *

@furan: i’ve been for some time wondering what does that mean. could you please tell us?


I’m not pure batak so I don’t know exactly what it means..but it’s kinda greeting like ‘apa kabar’ or ‘salam sejahtera’.

e_vaholic

QUOTE(jokotarub @ Nov 15 2006, 09:33 AM) *

the fact that many high-profile lawyers are Bataks doesn’t help either. like in other countries, many people see lawyers as helping bad guys circumventing the law, and thus as bad as they are.

oh yeah, i think half of total students in law faculty are bataks… sure.gif biggrin.gif

jason76
batak eat dogs? yes i have heard this and asked my mum who confirmed it is true!

batak – cannibals? no confirmation from my mother but I read this also and that they use to make either the palm of the hand or that soul of your feet into soup.

mmmmm footskin soup pukeface.gif

XxRyoChanxX

QUOTE(jokotarub @ Nov 11 2006, 01:00 PM) *

Batak people are generally much more straightforward than some other ethnic groups, esp. Javanese and Sundanese, so they are often considered rude. Other ethnic groups who are similarly straightforward don’t seem to have any problem with that, e.g. I never heard any Makassarese complaining about Batak people being rude.

yeah it is true that they are pretty straightforward..

QUOTE(jason76 @ Nov 17 2006, 01:09 AM) *

batak eat dogs? yes i have heard this and asked my mum who confirmed it is true!

batak – cannibals? no confirmation from my mother but I read this also and that they use to make either the palm of the hand or that soul of your feet into soup.

mmmmm footskin soup pukeface.gif

manado/minahasan eat anjing too.. laugh.gif

Bhaskara
They are blood-thirsty. Oops!make that:They have an appetite fot blood. They have a traditional eating place, called “Lapo”. Once, I asked my friend, what’s to eat in a Lapo?Pig in blood sauce. I don’t want a pig in abloody sauce!Is there anything else?Dog in a blood sauce. Eww, don’t u have any chicken meal?Sure, chicken in blood sauce biggrin.gif

Maybe that’s why it’s hard for most of them to be moslems…’cos moslems are not allowed to eat/drink blood.

e_vaholic
^ i have the answer, here it is

Some explaination about Why the Muslim
can’t eat
Pork or any pig or swine based meat….
INDONESIAN VERSION:

Bob: Tolong beritahu saya, mengapa
seorang Muslim
sangat mementingkan mengenai kata-
kata “Halal” dan
“Haram”; apa arti dari kata-kata
tersebut?

Yunus: Apa-apa yang diperbolehkan
diistilahkan
sebagai Halal, dan apa-apa yang tak
diperbolehkan
diistilahkan sebagai Haram, dan Al-
Qur’an lah yang
menggambarkan perbedaan antara
keduanya.

Bob: Dapatkah anda memberikan contoh?

Yunus: Ya, Islam telah melarang segala
macam
darah. Anda akan sependapat bahwa
analisis kimia
dari darah menunjukkan adanya
kandungan yang
tinggi dari uric acid (asam urat?),
suatu senyawa
kimia yang bisa berbahaya bagi
kesehatan manusia.

Bob : Anda benar mengenai sifat
beracun dari uric
acid, dalam tubuh manusia, senyawa ini
dikeluarkan
sebagai kotoran, dan dalam
kenyataannya kita
diberitahu bahwa 98% dari uric acid
dalam tubuh,
dikeluarkan dari dalam darah oleh
Ginjal, dan
dibuang keluar tubuh melalui air seni.

Yunus : Sekarang saya rasa anda akan
menghargai
metode prosedur khusus dalam
penyembelihan hewan
dalam Islam.

Bob : Apa maksud anda?

Yunus: Begini… seorang penyembelih,
selagi
menyebut nama dari Yang Maha Kuasa,
membuat irisan
memotong urat nadi leher hewan,
sembari membiarkan
urat-urat dan organ-organ lainnya utuh.

Bob : Oh begitu… Dan hal ini
menyebabkan
kematian hewan karena kehabisan darah
dari tubuh,
bukannya karena cedera pada organ
vitalnya.

Yunus: Ya, sebab jika organ-organ,
misalnya
jantung, hati, atau otak dirusak,
hewan tersebut
dapat meninggal seketika dan darahnya
akan
menggumpal dalam urat-uratnya dan
akhirnya
mencemari daging. Hal tersebut
mengakibatkan
daging hewan akan tercemar oleh uric
acid,
sehingga menjadikannya beracun; hanya
pada masa
kini lah, para ahli makanan baru
menyadari akan
hal ini.

Bob: Selanjutnya, selagi masih dalam
topik
makanan; Mengapa para Muslim melarang
pengkonsumsian daging babi, atau ham,
atau makanan
lainnya yang terkait dengan babi?

Yunus: Lebih lanjut lagi, apakah anda
tahu kalau
babi tidak dapat disembelih di leher
karena mereka
tidak memiliki leher; sesuai dengan
anatomi
alamiahnya? Muslim beranggapan kalau
babi memang
harus disembelih dan layak bagi
konsumsi manusia,
tentu Sang Pencipta akan merancang
hewan ini
dengan memiliki leher.
Dan diluar itu semua, sebagaimana kita
membicarakan mengenai kandungan uric
acid dalam
darah, sangat penting untuk
diperhatikan bahwa
sistem biochemistry babi mengeluarkan
hanya 2%
dari seluruh kandungan uric acidnya,
sedangkan 98%
sisanya tersimpan dalam tubuhnya.
Sekarang saya yakin anda tahu betul
mengenai
efek-efek berbahaya dari komsumsi
babi, dalam
bentuk apapun, baik itu pork chops,
ham, atau bacon.

Bob: Ilmu kedokteran mengetahui bahwa
ada resiko
besar atas banyak macam penyakit. Babi
diketahui
sebagai inang dari banyak macam
parasit dan
penyakit berbahaya.

cewe_indonycian
^Saya percaya analisa penyakit2 spt diatas ada di babi.
Tapi gimana ya klo ada yg berargumentasi : mungkin nanti diketemukan proses/analisa baru
yg bisa “membersihkan” sehingga babi bisa dikonsumsi lebih aman. Karena ilmu pengetahuan itu kan dasarnya relative,nggak mutlak, akan selalu berkembang, jadi apa yg disebut benar sekarang 100 taun lagi mungkin bisa rada salah ya toh?.

Permasalahan dasarnya bisa kah kita “menggantungkan” sesuatu yg mutlak ke sesuatu yg sifatnya berubah2/nisbi?
hanya untuk mencari validitas sementara aja karena kalau tenyata salah malah bisa nembak balik.

Bhaskara
Ah, nice theory!but, I get what’s cewe was tring to say also…
e_vaholic

QUOTE(cewe_indonycian @ Nov 18 2006, 02:37 PM) *

^Saya percaya analisa penyakit2 spt diatas ada di babi.
Tapi gimana ya klo ada yg berargumentasi : mungkin nanti diketemukan proses/analisa baru
yg bisa “membersihkan” sehingga babi bisa dikonsumsi lebih aman. Karena ilmu pengetahuan itu kan dasarnya relative,nggak mutlak, akan selalu berkembang, jadi apa yg disebut benar sekarang 100 taun lagi mungkin bisa rada salah ya toh?.

Permasalahan dasarnya bisa kah kita “menggantungkan” sesuatu yg mutlak ke sesuatu yg sifatnya berubah2/nisbi?
hanya untuk mencari validitas sementara aja karena kalau tenyata salah malah bisa nembak balik.

seandainya ada obat yang bisa “menetralisir”
tetep aja, bukankan LEBIH BAIK MENCEGAH DARIPADA MENGOBATI???
karena, sesempurnanya obat, ga pernah menyembuhkan secara total,,pasti ada efek lainnya
the question is similar with this,
kalau ada abat yang bisa menghilangkan efek rokok,,apa benar ada obat yang seperti itu??

purnomor
^ Maybe back in the days of Prophet Muhammad SAW, the meat-processing system was still primitive so that the pork meat consumed still contains many parasites and diseases.

However, it is clear today eating pork has no negative side-effects on human health. Top consumers of pork such as US, UK, EU, and China all have life expectancies that are higher than Muslim world. Nowadays, with better meat processing, eating pork is as safe as eating any other meat.

But if the Muslims continue to consider pork as haram, that’s up to them. It’s your right to choose what you want or not want to eat.

cewe_indonycian
^^Muslim are prohibited to eat pork period. (except in a rare case of life or death situation)
There don’t always have to be a known reason why eating pork is haram; this is just part of obeying the rule faithfully.
The laws are laid down so that each ruling has the greatest wisdom behind it, we may not readily recognize the wisdom
but at least here, these discourses force us to think and ponder thus engaging the brain a bit more.
If I made mistakes they are all mine,alone.
@ Mod. sorry for OOT
e_vaholic

QUOTE(purnomor @ Nov 21 2006, 05:34 AM) *

^ Maybe back in the days of Prophet Muhammad SAW, the meat-processing system was still primitive so that the pork meat consumed still contains many parasites and diseases.

However, it is clear today eating pork has no negative side-effects on human health. Top consumers of pork such as US, UK, EU, and China all have life expectancies that are higher than Muslim world. Nowadays, with better meat processing, eating pork is as safe as eating any other meat.

But if the Muslims continue to consider pork as haram, that’s up to them. It’s your right to choose what you want or not want to eat.

Mas Pur, it’s not about the primitive meat-processing,,
it’s written in the Qur’an, we’re not allowed to eat pork, dog, blood-sucking animals,,
and for us, Al Qur’an berlaku untuk selamanya, dan selalu sesuai zaman kapanpun.

jadi ga ada tuh yang namanya:
eh dulu babi ga boleh..tapi sekarang bolehin aja,,kan udah modern,,lagian babi kan enak,,

ga ada hal seperti itu dalam Islam

kalo kalian emang ga dilarang makan babi yaa silakan makan,,ga ada yang ngelarang.
tapi, untuk muslim, hal ini beda.

purnomor
^ don’t worry, it’s up to you what you want or not want to eat.

however, ur previous statement that eating pork is bad for health is untrue. pork is as nutritious and safe as any other meat, in fact it is the most consumed meat in the world.

furansizuka
Most people perceive Batak people like this:
1. they are awesome singers
2. they can play guitar
3. they like playing cards
4. they like talking out loud
5. they talk straightforward
6. they think they have the whole world
7. they’re rude/ impolite
tangawizi

QUOTE(e_vaholic @ Nov 18 2006, 02:20 PM) *

^ i have the answer, here it is

Some explaination about Why the Muslim
can’t eat
Pork or any pig or swine based meat….
INDONESIAN VERSION:

Bob: Tolong beritahu saya, mengapa
seorang Muslim
sangat mementingkan mengenai kata-
kata “Halal” dan
“Haram”; apa arti dari kata-kata
tersebut?

Yunus: Apa-apa yang diperbolehkan
diistilahkan
sebagai Halal, dan apa-apa yang tak
diperbolehkan
diistilahkan sebagai Haram, dan Al-
Qur’an lah yang
menggambarkan perbedaan antara
keduanya.

Bob: Dapatkah anda memberikan contoh?

Yunus: Ya, Islam telah melarang segala
macam
darah. Anda akan sependapat bahwa
analisis kimia
dari darah menunjukkan adanya
kandungan yang
tinggi dari uric acid (asam urat?),
suatu senyawa
kimia yang bisa berbahaya bagi
kesehatan manusia.

Bob : Anda benar mengenai sifat
beracun dari uric
acid, dalam tubuh manusia, senyawa ini
dikeluarkan
sebagai kotoran, dan dalam
kenyataannya kita
diberitahu bahwa 98% dari uric acid
dalam tubuh,
dikeluarkan dari dalam darah oleh
Ginjal, dan
dibuang keluar tubuh melalui air seni.

Yunus : Sekarang saya rasa anda akan
menghargai
metode prosedur khusus dalam
penyembelihan hewan
dalam Islam.

Bob : Apa maksud anda?

Yunus: Begini… seorang penyembelih,
selagi
menyebut nama dari Yang Maha Kuasa,
membuat irisan
memotong urat nadi leher hewan,
sembari membiarkan
urat-urat dan organ-organ lainnya utuh.

Bob : Oh begitu… Dan hal ini
menyebabkan
kematian hewan karena kehabisan darah
dari tubuh,
bukannya karena cedera pada organ
vitalnya.

Yunus: Ya, sebab jika organ-organ,
misalnya
jantung, hati, atau otak dirusak,
hewan tersebut
dapat meninggal seketika dan darahnya
akan
menggumpal dalam urat-uratnya dan
akhirnya
mencemari daging. Hal tersebut
mengakibatkan
daging hewan akan tercemar oleh uric
acid,
sehingga menjadikannya beracun; hanya
pada masa
kini lah, para ahli makanan baru
menyadari akan
hal ini.

Bob: Selanjutnya, selagi masih dalam
topik
makanan; Mengapa para Muslim melarang
pengkonsumsian daging babi, atau ham,
atau makanan
lainnya yang terkait dengan babi?

Yunus: Lebih lanjut lagi, apakah anda
tahu kalau
babi tidak dapat disembelih di leher
karena mereka
tidak memiliki leher; sesuai dengan
anatomi
alamiahnya? Muslim beranggapan kalau
babi memang
harus disembelih dan layak bagi
konsumsi manusia,
tentu Sang Pencipta akan merancang
hewan ini
dengan memiliki leher.
Dan diluar itu semua, sebagaimana kita
membicarakan mengenai kandungan uric
acid dalam
darah, sangat penting untuk
diperhatikan bahwa
sistem biochemistry babi mengeluarkan
hanya 2%
dari seluruh kandungan uric acidnya,
sedangkan 98%
sisanya tersimpan dalam tubuhnya.
Sekarang saya yakin anda tahu betul
mengenai
efek-efek berbahaya dari komsumsi
babi, dalam
bentuk apapun, baik itu pork chops,
ham, atau bacon.

Bob: Ilmu kedokteran mengetahui bahwa
ada resiko
besar atas banyak macam penyakit. Babi
diketahui
sebagai inang dari banyak macam
parasit dan
penyakit berbahaya.

Eeerrrr… wd u mind translating that? I really would like to know the reason why? macacih

haqine
I used to be live in Medan, Palembang, and Ambon which are they have similiar behavior, one of them is talking out loud and talk directly, if they don’t like or like something they will talk directly. They never ‘basa-basi’, not like sundanesse biggrin.gif

@ Tangawizi :
I’d like to translate for you, but it seems too long yah… embarassedlaugh.gif
Maybe not now ^^ Hope eva can translate it for you..

jokotarub

QUOTE(furansizuka @ Nov 22 2006, 07:46 PM) *

Most people perceive Batak people like this:
6. they think they have the whole world


yg ini mah org Batak pacaran kali Fran.. laugh.gif

e_vaholic

QUOTE(purnomor @ Nov 22 2006, 04:10 AM) *

^ don’t worry, it’s up to you what you want or not want to eat.

however, ur previous statement that eating pork is bad for health is untrue. pork is as nutritious and safe as any other meat, in fact it is the most consumed meat in the world.

nah, i think it’s becoz they don’t know it has bad effect.
if they know, i believe pork consumption will decrease

purnomor

QUOTE(e_vaholic @ Nov 22 2006, 10:53 PM) *

nah, i think it’s becoz they don’t know it has bad effect.
if they know, i believe pork consumption will decrease

Nah, I don’t think people will ever stop eating pork. They know the health of pork-eating people in the Western world and China is actually better than the people of Islamic world who don’t eat pork.

purple

QUOTE(purnomor @ Nov 23 2006, 05:52 PM) *

Nah, I don’t think people will ever stop eating pork. They know the health of pork-eating people in the Western world and China is actually better than the people of Islamic world who don’t eat pork.

are u saying that chinese and western people’s diets are better because they eat pork? pffft

furansizuka

QUOTE(jokotarub @ Nov 22 2006, 12:51 PM) *

yg ini mah org Batak pacaran kali Fran.. laugh.gif


laugh.gif tapi memang begitu kan? Kalo udah ketemu, ngomong keras2, ngga perduli dimana, atau tetangga sebelah merasa terganggu..

tangawizi

QUOTE(haqine @ Nov 22 2006, 04:29 PM) *

@ Tangawizi :
I’d like to translate for you, but it seems too long yah… embarassedlaugh.gif
Maybe not now ^^ Hope eva can translate it for you..

Thank you Hagine, don’t worry.. it’s too long to translate, maybe you can just summarise it what it was sayiing, seems like a story to illustrate why pork is forbidden to be eaten.

I was reading a book on How the Mind Works by Steven Pinker and he said that Disgust is a universal human emotion, which is shown with a universal facial expression as well as in food taboos.

It seems that food taboos exist in every society and culture. In muslim society, it’s pork and alcohol. In jewish society, it’s pork, shellfish and meat in milk. In hindu, it’s beef. In buddhist society, it’s all kinds of meat. It seems that tests on food learning were done on children under 2 years old. It seems that under 2 year olds will put anythiing in their mouth, including rubber imitation faeces or grasshoppers. They can’t distinguish what’s disgusting and what’s not. However, toddlers from age 4 and above begin to reject certain foods with disgust, even though the parents may not have taught them so. You give them an imitation faeces or juice with grasshoppers and they are automatically disgusted. It seems that no child has to be taught to revile disgusting animals or monkey meat. It seems such behavior is genetically programmed in our behavior.

I remember how i used to hate vegetables with disgust, and would only eat meat as a child. Of course this is gone now as I am almost a vegetarian.

In any case, disgust can be unlearned as we can see. Our food taboos were often derived from ecological and economi sense. The Hebrews and Muslims were desert tribes, and pigs are animals of the forest that compete with people for water and nutritious foods like nuts, fruits and vegetables. Kosher or halal animals, in contrast, are ruminants like sheep, cattle and goats, which can live off scraggly deserts plants. In India, cattle was too precious to slaughter because they are used for milk, manure and pulling plows.

Food taboos have now become ethnic markers. As the ethnic leaders can exploit the psychology of disgust for teaching their children food preferences. Food taboos were often used to prohibit a favourite food of a neighboring tribe.

For e.g. there was a scientist researcher called Napoleon Chagnon who safeguarded his supply of peanut butter and hot dogs from the Yanomamo folks whom he studied for years in the Amazon by telling them they were the feces and penises of cattle. The Yanomamo, who are hearty eaters of caterpillars and grubs, had no idea what cattle were but lost their appetite and left him to eat his supply of peanut butter and hotdogs in peace.

Maybe this was it. The pork eating tribes had persuaded the hebrew and muslim tribes to keep off their favourite meat, pork. After all, there’s only so much supply of proscuito ham available in the world?? Juz my two centavos shrug.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

purnomor

QUOTE(purple @ Nov 23 2006, 04:53 AM) *

are u saying that chinese and western people’s diets are better because they eat pork? pffft

pork imo is great-tasting meat product. but my point is no western or chinese people will ever buy the myth that pork gave them bad health, since they are generally more healthy than the people of muslim world.

QUOTE(tangawizi @ Nov 23 2006, 09:10 AM) *

Thank you Hagine, don’t worry.. it’s too long to translate, maybe you can just summarise it what it was sayiing, seems like a story to illustrate why pork is forbidden to be eaten.

I was reading a book on How the Mind Works by Steven Pinker and he said that Disgust is a universal human emotion, which is shown with a universal facial expression as well as in food taboos.

It seems that food taboos exist in every society and culture. In muslim society, it’s pork and alcohol. In jewish society, it’s pork, shellfish and meat in milk. In hindu, it’s beef. In buddhist society, it’s all kinds of meat. It seems that tests on food learning were done on children under 2 years old. It seems that under 2 year olds will put anythiing in their mouth, including rubber imitation faeces or grasshoppers. They can’t distinguish what’s disgusting and what’s not. However, toddlers from age 4 and above begin to reject certain foods with disgust, even though the parents may not have taught them so. You give them an imitation faeces or juice with grasshoppers and they are automatically disgusted. It seems that no child has to be taught to revile disgusting animals or monkey meat. It seems such behavior is genetically programmed in our behavior.

I remember how i used to hate vegetables with disgust, and would only eat meat as a child. Of course this is gone now as I am almost a vegetarian.

In any case, disgust can be unlearned as we can see. Our food taboos were often derived from ecological and economi sense. The Hebrews and Muslims were desert tribes, and pigs are animals of the forest that compete with people for water and nutritious foods like nuts, fruits and vegetables. Kosher or halal animals, in contrast, are ruminants like sheep, cattle and goats, which can live off scraggly deserts plants. In India, cattle was too precious to slaughter because they are used for milk, manure and pulling plows.

Food taboos have now become ethnic markers. As the ethnic leaders can exploit the psychology of disgust for teaching their children food preferences. Food taboos were often used to prohibit a favourite food of a neighboring tribe.

For e.g. there was a scientist researcher called Napoleon Chagnon who safeguarded his supply of peanut butter and hot dogs from the Yanomamo folks whom he studied for years in the Amazon by telling them they were the feces and penises of cattle. The Yanomamo, who are hearty eaters of caterpillars and grubs, had no idea what cattle were but lost their appetite and left him to eat his supply of peanut butter and hotdogs in peace.

Maybe this was it. The pork eating tribes had persuaded the hebrew and muslim tribes to keep off their favourite meat, pork. After all, there’s only so much supply of proscuito ham available in the world?? Juz my two centavos shrug.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

i thought indians dont eat beef cuz bull is the vehicle for god rama.

tangawizi

QUOTE(purnomor @ Nov 23 2006, 05:33 PM) *

pork imo is great-tasting meat product. but my point is no western or chinese people will ever buy the myth that pork gave them bad health, since they are generally more healthy than the people of muslim world.

That’s a pretty tall statement to make unless you can back it up with research, pur… sure.gif

QUOTE(purnomor @ Nov 23 2006, 05:33 PM) *

i thought indians dont eat beef cuz bull is the vehicle for god rama.

Well, we can definitely accept the religious viewpoint, but it doesn’t refute the ecological or economical viewpoint either, does it?

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purnomor

QUOTE(tangawizi @ Nov 23 2006, 09:40 AM) *

That’s a pretty tall statement to make unless you can back it up with research, pur… sure.gif

actually, research found the only possible illness you can caught from pork is trichinosis, which is caused by larvaes surviving in undercooked pork meat. this case is very rare in developed world (12 cases in USA from 1991-1996), and never happened if the pork is cooked properly (above 62 C).

compare this with the myriad of diseases u can get from beef and chicken (mad cow disease, avian flu, e coli in undercooked chicken meat), and you’ll find pork is actually safer than other kinds of meat.

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Well, we can definitely accept the religious viewpoint, but it doesn’t refute the ecological or economical viewpoint either, does it?
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do you have evidence to back these viewpoints?

tangawizi

QUOTE(purnomor @ Nov 23 2006, 05:52 PM) *

actually, research found the only possible illness you can caught from pork is trichinosis, which is caused by larvaes surviving in undercooked pork meat. this case is very rare in developed world (12 cases in USA from 1991-1996), and never happened if the pork is cooked properly (above 62 C).

That I can accept without much quarrel, but you said that “my point is no western or chinese people will ever buy the myth that pork gave them bad health, since they are generally more healthy than the people of muslim world“, I am not so sure we can accept this observation of yours.. unless you back it up.

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do you have evidence to back these viewpoints?

Yeah, look it up in Harris, M. 1985. Good to eat: Riddles of food and culture. New York, Simon & Schuster.

purnomor

QUOTE(tangawizi @ Nov 23 2006, 10:01 AM) *

That I can accept without much quarrel, but you said that “my point is no western or chinese people will ever buy the myth that pork gave them bad health, since they are generally more healthy than the people of muslim world”, I am not so sure we can accept this observation of yours.. unless you back it up.

why would western and chinese people abandon hams, porkchops, or the many chinese pork dishes? pork is certainly not bad for ur health so that cannot be made into an excuse.

tangawizi
I just wanted to know why you thought that western and chinese folks are generally more healthy than muslim folks. U got an answer for that?
purnomor
^ As I said previously, Western countries and Chinese people has higher life expectancy than countries in Islamic world.
tangawizi

QUOTE(purnomor @ Nov 23 2006, 06:34 PM) *

^ As I said previously, Western countries and Chinese people has higher life expectancy than countries in Islamic world.

I’d agree that western folks have a higher life expectancy than others due to their medical advances and healthcare policies (particularly in Europe).

But I don’t think that they are generally healthier than other people, let alone muslims.

I believe muslim folks are generally more hygiene conscious than the European and Chinese folks because of their emphasis of ablutions and all. If you’ve been to a public toilet in China, you’ll know what I mean..

anyways, let’s quit generalizing and get back to topic.

Batak temper. My sista-in-law was Batak, she was fiesty and stubborn. She left my brother with his heartbroken and 3 month deep depression.. icon_neutral.gif

purnomor

QUOTE(tangawizi @ Nov 23 2006, 10:39 AM) *

I’d agree that western folks have a higher life expectancy than others due to their medical advances and healthcare policies (particularly in Europe).

But I don’t think that they are generally healthier than other people, let alone muslims.

I think higher life-expectancy = better health.

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I believe muslim folks are generally more hygiene conscious than the European and Chinese folks because of their emphasis of ablutions and all. If you’ve been to a public toilet in China, you’ll know what I mean..

Well, Muslim countries are not exactly the epitome of cleanliness.

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Batak temper. My sista-in-law was Batak, she was fiesty and stubborn. She left my brother with his heartbroken and 3 month deep depression.. icon_neutral.gif

Depends, my auntie is a Batak but she grew up in Bandung, so she has the most refined temperement and talks very softly.

tangawizi

QUOTE(purnomor @ Nov 23 2006, 06:50 PM) *

I think higher life-expectancy = better health.
Well, Muslim countries are not exactly the epitome of cleanliness.
Depends, my auntie is a Batak but she grew up in Bandung, so she has the most refined temperement and talks very softly.

Well, higher life expectancy or better health is caused better medical facilities and technology.

Funny you say that Muslim countries are not exactly the epitome of cleanliness. I went to Egypt and while it was very clean in the major city streets, the apartments and quarters where people lived were in squalor and dilapidated. I think its due to poverty rather than health or food taboos. I have been to Dubai and it was spankingly clean! You are not known to make generalizations, pur, I think you are making a big mountain out of a molehill of the islamic taboo against pork. Why don’t you equate the Jews as being less healthy as well then since they don’t eat pork too???? confused.gif

Actually, my sista-in-law was a pretty girl. Ladies from Batak and Bandung are really stunning. I guess that’s why my bro is now in love with a girl from Bandung… icon_neutral.gif

And the Bandung girlfren is much more refined and soft-spoken indeed…

purnomor

QUOTE(tangawizi @ Nov 23 2006, 11:02 AM) *

Well, higher life expectancy or better health is caused better medical facilities and technology.

I don’t deny that, I am merely refuting the charge that Western people will suffer from health problems due to their affinity with pork.

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Funny you say that Muslim countries are not exactly the epitome of cleanliness. I went to Egypt and while it was very clean in the major city streets, the apartments and quarters where people lived were in squalor and dilapidated. I think its due to poverty rather than health or food taboos. I have been to Dubai and it was spankingly clean! You are not known to make generalizations, pur, I think you are making a big mountain out of a molehill of the islamic taboo against pork. Why don’t you equate the Jews as being less healthy as well then since they don’t eat pork too???? confused.gif

You are confused, auntie tanga. I never linked cleanliness with pork, it is you who did that. I merely refutes your statement that Muslim countries are “cleaner” than other countries.

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Actually, my sista-in-law was a pretty girl. Ladies from Batak and Bandung are really stunning. I guess that’s why my bro is now in love with a girl from Bandung… icon_neutral.gif
And the Bandung girlfren is much more refined and soft-spoken indeed…

We have our half-Batak girl here furnasizuka, she’s well-mannered and refined, rite? A person’s manner depends on their upbringing.

tangawizi

QUOTE(purnomor @ Nov 23 2006, 07:07 PM) *

I don’t deny that, I am merely refuting the charge that Western people will suffer from health problems due to their affinity with pork.
You are confused, auntie tanga. I never linked cleanliness with pork, it is you who did that. I merely refutes your statement that Muslim countries are “cleaner” than other countries.
We have our half-Batak girl here furnasizuka, she’s well-mannered and refined, rite? A person’s manner depends on their upbringing.

Dang! This conversation is beginning to sound like a cross-examination! Whatever u say, pur! embarassedlaugh.gif

A food taboo operates as disgust at a deeper level, so it’s gonna be hard to change people’s deep-seated visceral reaction.

I agree that upbringing is what determines the character of a person. Being batak doesn’t mean rudeness or loudness, but I do think my sista-in-law was quite a stubborn lady. Gosh, we had some wild times together! biggrin.gif

Betong
Pork thumbsdown.gif thumbsdown.gif

Pig’s bodies contain many toxins, worms and latent diseases. Although some of these infestations are harbored in other animals, modern veterinarians say that pigs are far more predisposed to these illnesses than other animals. This could be because pigs like to scavenge and will eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs(cannibal too) eek.gif .

Influenza (flu) is one of the most famous illnesses which pigs share with humans. This illness is harbored in the lungs of pigs during the summer months and tends to affect pigs and humans in the cooler months. Sausage contains bits of pigs’ lungs, so those who eat pork sausage tend to suffer more during epidemics of influenza. Pig meat contains excessive quantities of histamine and imidazole compounds, which can lead to itching and inflammation; growth hormone, which promotes inflammation and growth; sulphur-containing mesenchymal mucus, which leads to swelling and deposits of mucus in tendons and cartilage, resulting in arthritis, rheumatism, etc.

Pigs are biologically similar to humans confused.gif , and their meat is said to taste similar to human flesh(asked Purnomor). Pigs have been used for dissection in biology labs due to the similarity between their organs and human organs. People with insulin-dependent diabetes usually inject themselves with pig insulin.

And not only Muslim forbid to eat pork…

The Jews and Christians are also forbidden from eating pork. Here is a quote from the Old Testament to that effect: “And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.” Deuteronomy 14:8
Many Christians believe that this verse was directed only at the Jews. But Jesus himself says during the Sermon on the Mount; “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.” Some Christians say that, after a vision by St. Peter, God cleansed all animals and made them fit and lawful for human consumption. If ALL animals are cleansed by Peter’s vision, this includes dogs, cats, vultures, and rats: but you just don’t see people getting excited about a cat-meat sandwich like they do over barbecued pork or bacon. Others say that it was Paul who rescinded the law forbidding pork to humans, in order to appease the Romans, who enjoyed the taste of pig-meat. Many excuses have been given, but none are very sound.

Many Far Eastern traditions also discourage the eating of pork. The 3,000 year old Confucian Book of Rites says, “Agentleman does not eat the flesh of pigs and dogs.” Although many Chinese are avid eaters of pork today, physicians of ancient China recognized pork-eating as the root of many human ailments. Buddhists, Jains and Hindus usually avoid eating any kind of meat.

And even native american

“You are what you eat” – Native American proverb

purnomor

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Pig’s bodies contain many toxins, worms and latent diseases. Although some of these infestations are harbored in other animals, modern veterinarians say that pigs are far more predisposed to these illnesses than other animals. This could be because pigs like to scavenge and will eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs(cannibal too) eek.gif .

Pigs only eat what’s available/given to them just like any other domestic animals like cows and chickens.

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Influenza (flu) is one of the most famous illnesses which pigs share with humans. This illness is harbored in the lungs of pigs during the summer months and tends to affect pigs and humans in the cooler months. Sausage contains bits of pigs’ lungs, so those who eat pork sausage tend to suffer more during epidemics of influenza. Pig meat contains excessive quantities of histamine and imidazole compounds, which can lead to itching and inflammation; growth hormone, which promotes inflammation and growth; sulphur-containing mesenchymal mucus, which leads to swelling and deposits of mucus in tendons and cartilage, resulting in arthritis, rheumatism, etc.

LOL, actually flu is developed by chickens. The most fatal flu strain today for humans (bird flu) also comes from chickens. Western and East Asian peoples who got 38% of their protein needs from pork realise that pork is actually more safe and nutritious than other meats.

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Pigs are biologically similar to humans confused.gif

LOL, this is the most hilarious statement I’ve heard. Pigs are nowhere similar with humans. laugh.gif

BTW insulin also come from dogs, cows, horse, or fish. Today’s insulin, however, mostly come from genetic engineering.

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The Jews and Christians are also forbidden from eating pork.

Jews prohibited pork, but most Jews who are not orthodox now disregard the kosher regulations. Christians are not forbidden to eat pork.

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Many Far Eastern traditions also discourage the eating of pork.

LOL, actually pork represents 75% of protein intake in China, Vietnam, and Korea.

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“You are what you eat” – Native American proverb

LOL, so if you eat fish, then you are a fish? Or if you eat a chicken, then you are a chicken? embarassedlaugh.gif

furansizuka
Perhaps it would be better if we make a new thread about pork instead talking of it in here? icon_smile.gif

Betong

QUOTE(purnomor @ Nov 23 2006, 08:30 PM) *

Pigs only eat what’s available/given to them just like any other domestic animals like cows and chickens.
LOL, actually flu is developed by chickens. The most fatal flu strain today for humans (bird flu) also comes from chickens. Western and East Asian peoples who got 38% of their protein needs from pork realise that pork is actually more safe and nutritious than other meats.
Jews prohibited pork, but most Jews who are not orthodox now disregard the kosher regulations. Christians are not forbidden to eat pork.
LOL, actually pork represents 75% of protein intake in China, Vietnam, and Korea.
LOL, so if you eat fish, then you are a fish? Or if you eat a chicken, then you are a chicken? embarassedlaugh.gif


I even read this one before….
If you pour Coke (yes, the soda) on a slab of pork, and wait a little while, you will SEE Worms crawl out of it.!!! eek.gif eek.gif .I dont think worms will start to appear if you put coke on pork but if you do want to find the contents of the meat grab a microscoe and see trichina worm. They are very2 small and not the one u see in the garden everyday…

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LOL, this is the most hilarious statement I’ve heard. Pigs are nowhere similar with humans. laugh.gif

INFLUENZA (flu) is one of the MOST famous illnesses which pigs share with humans.
This illness is harbored in the LUNGS of pigs during the summer months and tends to affect pigs and humans in the cooler months. And another example was you can survive with a pig’s heart if you have a transplant.

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BTW insulin also come from dogs, cows, horse, or fish. Today’s insulin, however, mostly come from genetic engineering.


Most human “spare part” avaiable in market definately from pig…

And after this if you want to eat pigs, it up to you embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

purnomor

QUOTE(Betong @ Nov 23 2006, 08:56 PM) *

I even read this one before….
If you pour Coke (yes, the soda) on a slab of pork, and wait a little while, you will SEE Worms crawl out of it.!!! eek.gif eek.gif .I dont think worms will start to appear if you put coke on pork but if you do want to find the contents of the meat grab a microscoe and see trichina worm. They are very2 small and not the one u see in the garden everyday…

LOL, any meat such as beef and chicken could contain larvae worms. That’s why nobody should eat uncooked slab of meat, instead they must cook it first. sure.gif

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INFLUENZA (flu) is one of the MOST famous illnesses which pigs share with humans.
This illness is harbored in the LUNGS of pigs during the summer months and tends to affect pigs and humans in the cooler months. And another example was you can survive with a pig’s heart if you have a transplant.
Most human “spare part” avaiable in market definately from pig…

Wrong, flu is actually spread by chickens. Not only humans suffered from flu, but all animals with lungs from cows to whales.

I think it’s clear the idea that pork is somehow “bad for health” is just an unfounded myth.

furansizuka
Feby Febiola (half Batak)
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e_vaholic
lho,, mas pur ga tau ya kan flu burung bisa nyerang babi juga..
rasibiduk

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lho,, mas pur ga tau ya kan flu burung bisa nyerang babi juga..

kalo flu burung kejadiannya 2000 tahun lalu, bisa jadi makan burung haram hukumnya ya.

Betong
If you still want to eat bird with flu go ahead…
purnomor
^ LOL, it is clear that bird flu is never spread by pigs, but by chickens/birds. laugh.gif

Plz don’t spread misinformation sure.gif

Betong
I didn’t even say that bird flu spread by pig….
What I said was pig have same flu that attacked human in cooler month…
purnomor
^ Indeed, pork is as safe and even safer than other meats.
purple
ok this thread is about bataks not about eating pigs! i think its time to stop hijacking jason76’s thread. to continue ur pig discussions u’ll find a separate thread HERE!
furansizuka
^ agree beerchug.gif
and let me post more pics of Batak people! biggrin.gif

Bella Saphira Simanjuntak
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XxRyoChanxX
this thread is about batak and not about pork….
dalawapo
do batak people have tattoo culture? and how significant is their writing script?
Bhaskara
The batak scripts are exclusive to the priests only, and mainly used in magical scrolls. I think many Indonesians have a batak calendar as a decoration. I know I have one in my house and I also know houses with batak calendars, although like me, they’re not batak. It’s only used for decoraton now.
jason76
Keep it coming folks, very interesting information so far…except for the pig dribble. Terimah kasih!
furansizuka
where have you been, J? biggrin.gif
jason76
I’m always around furan!
bandung
all i know is sacred.

the following is all i know

they are from

sumatra
hows that. enough info for ya?

Astromantic
All I know is that most of them are Christians and I’ve got one Batak friend from Medan. Oh yeah they can also sing!
jason76

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all i know is sacred.

the following is all i know

they are from

sumatra
hows that. enough info for ya?

why waste bandwitdh?

i meant bandwidth

hihihihi

purnomor
Summary about the Batak tribes from “The Indonesian!” thread:

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Batak Angkola

The Batak Angkola people (990,000 strong) lives in the southern Tapanuli area, around the border between North Sumatera province with West Sumatera and Riau provinces. Batak Angkola people traditionally belief that they and other Batak peoples are descendents of the first human being on earth, Si Raja Batak.

Batak Angkola language is very similar to the Mandailing language, although because the Mandailing were devout Muslims, the Angkolas insists that Mandailing cannot be classified as a Batak ethnicity. Dutch linguist HN van der Tuuk described the border between Mandailing and Angkola languages to be the area between Sipirok and Batang Toru. The Batak Angkola language was written in the Batak alphabet, but now is mostly written in Latin alphabet. Many literary product has been made in Batak Angkola language, the most distinguished being the romance novel Sitti Djaoerah: Padan Djandji Na Toegoe by MJ Soetan Hasoendoetan written in 1927.

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Batak Angkola house

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Batak Angkola bride and groom

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Batak Angkola dance

The southern Angkolas are mostly Muslims, having been forcibly converted by the Padri Wahhabist warriors from Minangkabau in 1820s. The northern Angkolas are mostly Christians, having been converted from animism by Dutch missionaries in late 19th century. However, both Muslim and Christian Batak Angkolas mostly still appreciates the Batak tribal law habatahon. The habatahon put the clan (marga) as the most important institution, and put the greatest respect for a clan that achieved fecundicity, honour, and wealth.

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Batak Dairi

The Batak Dairi people (1.5 million strong) inhabits the area from the southwestern shore of Lake Toba around the town of Sidakalang well into Southeastern Aceh. They are also known as the Batak Pakpak ethnic group. The Batak Dairi language is traditionally written using Batak alphabet of Dairi variation. The Batak Dairi greet each other using the term, njuah juah!

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Batak Dairi alphabet

Batak Dairi people are mostly Christians, converted by German Lutheran missionary Ludwig Ingwer Nommensen in the late 19th century. Batak Dairi people traditionally believes that they and other Batak ethnicities are descendents of the first human being on earth, Si Raja Batak. The most important institution in Batak Dairi culture is the clan (marga). The Dairi followed a unique tribal hierarchy, starting from suak (district) led by a Raja Ekuten. Each suak consists of several kuta (villages) led by a pertaki, a village chief. A pertaki is assisted by five deputies (sulung silima), consisting of perisang-isang, pertulan tengah, perekur-ekur, perpunca ndiadep, and perbetekken.

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Japanese ambassador Yutaka Iimura dancing Dairi dance after being accorded the Dairi clan name of Purba, becoming Yutaka Iimura Purba Pakpak

Due to the mountainous terrain in which they lived, the Batak Dairi mostly do not engage in rice farming, but they opens plantations of cash crops, mostly coffee and gambier. Gambier, the most important product of Dairi highlands, is a coffee-like shrub which contains chemicals needed to cure hides and cloth-dyeing process.

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Batak Dairi house

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Batak Dairi dance

The Batak Dairi is known for their strong resistance to Dutch colonisation attempts. In Sidikalang, you can visit the last fort held by Dairi king Sisingamangarja XII where he and his children was killed in a battle with the Dutch in 1907.

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Batak Karo

The Batak Karo people (800,000 strong) is a Batak tribe that lives in the mountainous central, northern, west, and northwest shores of Lake Toba. As with other Batak ethnic groups, they traditionally believe that they are the descendents of the ifrst human being, Si Raja Batak. They also follows the Batak tribal law the habatahon which put the clan (marga) as the most important social institution. There are five important Karo clans(marga silima): Ginting, Karo-Karo, Perangin-angin, Sembiring, and Tarigan. Intermarriage within one clan is prohibited by the Karo tribal law. A Ginting woman that married a Sembiring man will become a member of the Sembiring clan. A non-Batak man who wishes to marry a Ginting woman must be adopted by a Karo clan other than those of the wife’s, e.g. he must become a Tarigan. Additionally, the five clans are divided into 83 sub-clans.

The Batak Karo language was traditionally written in Batak alphabet of the Karo variance. Batak Karo literature mostly dealt with magic, medicine, and divination as the Batak Karo is considered the most preoccupied with witchcraft and sorcery by other Batak ethnic groups. In traditional Batak Karo society, a medium for spirits is considered as a very respected person.

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Batak Karo alphabet

Batak Karo people who lives in the lowlands area are Muslims due to their proximity to Muslim polities on the coastal area. Those who reside in the highlands are Christians due to missionary efforts by German Lutheran pastor Ludwig Nommensen. However, the Batak Karo strongly kept their animist beliefs in spirits and hold many elaborate ceremonies to appease such spirits. For example, the exhumation and storage of the bones of important ancestors in a skull house (geriten) in order to shelter the dead’s spirits (begu). Spirits of ancestors is also worshipped in Guro-guro Aron ceremony to ensure successful harvest.

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Traditional Karo house

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Batak Karo wedding between a German man and a Karo woman

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Tembut Gendala, Batak Karo dance

Due to the fertile soil quality and cool climate, the Batak Karo generally work not as rice farmers but they grow vegetables, corn, and potatoes. A famous product of Karo highlands is the markisa (passionfruit) from Brastagi area, famous throughout Indonesia.

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Batak Karo vegetable garden

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Batak Mandailing

The Batak Mandailing people (510,000 strong) is a Batak tribe that inhabits the southern frontiers and southwestern coastline of North Sumatera province. There are also large population of Mandailing people in Malaysia, destination of Mandailing refugees running away from the destructive Padri War and subsequent Dutch invasion in the 1830s. The name “Mandailing” could have came from the name of an ancient Hindu kingdom that existed in the area during the 1200s, called “Mandala Holing”.

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Batak Mandailing groom and bride in traditional wedding dress

Batak Mandailing language can be written in Arabic (Jawi) alphabet or with the Batak alphabet of Mandailing variation.

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Batak Mandailing alphabet

The Batak Mandailing people traditionally lived under small political units called huta (village) led by a raja (king) who ruled in a democratic manner cooperating with a village council consisting of respected village elders, this legislative council being called Na Mora Na Toras. A Batak Mandailing village centred on the house of the king (Bagas Godang) and the adjecant meeting house of the village council (Sopo Godang). Other important structures in a Mandailing village is the mosque (suro), usually located near to river or other water source to facilitate pre-prayer abulations.

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Typical Bagas Godang (house of the king) and Sopo Godang (house of village council) in the centre of a Mandailing village (huta)

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Meeting of village council (Na Mora Na Toras) in a Mandailing village

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Typical Mandailing mosque (suro) located next to a water source

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Typical traditional Mandailing house in a huta (village)

Batak Mandailing people is divided into 13 clans (marga) as with other Batak tribes: Hasibuan, Dalimunte, Mardia, Pulungan, Lubis, Nasution, Rangkuti, Parinduri, Daulae, Matondang, Batubara, Tanjung, and Lintang. The most numerous and powerful of these clans are the Lubis and Nasution. A famous Mandailing is the hero of war of independence and commander of Indonesian armed forces in the 1950s and 1960s, Field Marshall Abdul Haris Nasution.

Batak Mandailing people are mostly Muslims, being converted forcibly by Wahhabist Padri forces invading from Minangkabau in 1830s, led by Tuanku Nan Rencah. The Wahhabist Islamic heritage left by the Padris led to many Mandailings to disassociate themselves from the Batak ethnicity, since other Batak tribes mostly are non-Muslims. Batak Mandailing negatively called their pre-Islamic days where the people practised animist Batak spirit-worshipping as Na Itam Na Robi (the dark and ancient times), in accord with Islamic concept of jahilliyah.

Nevertheless, the current Mandailing culture retains strong aspects of its pre-Islamic days, such as the Gordang Sambilan drum ensemble, which is used to call upon good spirits to stave-off plagues, call for rain, bless marriages and births, and to protect spirit of a recently deceased person. The usage of Gordang Sambilan must be sanctioned by the village king and council and should be accompanied by sacrifice of a bull. Additionally, Gordang Sambilan drum ensemble also plays during welcoming of important guests, the celebration of Idul Fitri (end of Ramadan), or celebration of Independence Day on 17th of August.

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Gordang Sambilan sacred drum ensemble

The fertile lands of Mandailing people’s abode means most Mandailing live as farmers, growing rice or tending coffee plantations which produce the world-remowned Mandailing coffee.

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Batak Simalungun

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Traditional wedding between a Romanian man and Batak Simalungun woman

Batak Simalungun people (1.2 million strong) inhabits the northeastern shore of Lake Toba in North Sumatera province. MD Purba (1997) hypothesised that the name “Simalungun” came from the term “Sima-sima ni Lungun” which means quiet place, a reflection of the sparsely-populated nature of the Simalungun homeland when they first arrived. The Simalungun language can be written in the Simalungun variation of the Batak alphabet.

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Batak Simalungun alphabet

Despite the close cultural and linguistic relationship between the Simalungun and other Batak tribes, the Simalungun people considers themselves a distinct ethnicity, and they believe that their ancestors moved from Nagaland and Assam in India to North Sumatera in the 5th century AD.

The Batak Simalungun people are divided into four major clans (marga): Sinaga, Saragih, Damanik, and Purba, each of which are divided into dozens of smaller sub-clans. A salient distinction of the Batak Simalungun culture is that clan affiliation is not considered as important to a person’s social standing, instead a person’s place of origin (hasusuran) and role in traditional ceremonies (tibalni parhundul) are the most important method of identification of a Batak Simalungun person. The lack of clan importance is because the kings of the different Batak Simalungun clans have engaged in political alliance (harrunguan bolon) that has lasted for centuries.

The Batak Simalungun people are roughly divided equally in terms of religion. The western Simalungun people mostly embraces Christianity due to the efforts of German Lutheran missionary Ludwig Ingwer Nommensen in the mid-1800s. Meanwhile, the eastern Simalungun people are mostly Muslims due to their close proximity to the Muslim Malay polities located on the eastern seaboard of North Sumatera. However, the Batak Simalungun people are united in their common indigenous culture despite their different religious affiliation.

Traditional Batak Simalungun people mainly engaged in farming rice and corn. The Simalungun homeland is a major producer of corn in Indonesia. Many Batak Simalungun are also involved in cultivating palm-oil (grown in the area of Pematang Siantar) or to lesser extent, tourism (centred in Parapat).

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Traditional Batak Simalungun tor-tor dance

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Palace of a Batak Simalungun traditional king (raja)

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Batak Toba

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Batak Toba mask

The Batak Toba people (2.5 million strong) inhabits Samosir Island in the middle of Lake Toba, the western, southern, and eastern shores of Lake Toba and the northern hinterlands of Tapanuli (western section of North Sumatera). Batak Toba people are the numerically largest of the Batak ethnicities. They greet each other with the exclaimation, “Horas!” Toba Batak language can be written in the Toba variation of the Batak alphabet or in the Latin alphabet:

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Batak Toba alphabet

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The first verses of the Gospel of John from the Batak Toba Bible published in 1989

Batak Toba people traditionally believes that they are descended from Si Raja Batak, the first human being in the world. As with most other Batak tribes, Batak Toba traditionally considers the clan (marga) and lineage (tarombo) system as the most important society classification system. They are divided into hundreds of clans and sub-clans. During pre-colonial and pre-independence days, the Batak Toba people lived under a stateless and largely egalitarian society, in which disputes between or within clans are solved by a powerful religious priestly organisation, the raja parbaringin, which specialised mostly in solving agricultural disputes.

Legacy of this egalitarian society can be seen today, in which Batak Toba culture boasts strong gender equality between males and females. Attempts by Dutch colonialists to impose feudalistic social positions such as Tuan Manullang and Tuan Sumurung in 1930s offended the egalitarian-minded Batak Toba greatly, and the Batak Toba always displayed the most resistence to Dutch colonialists. Batak Toba formed most of King Sisingamangaraja XII’s army in its rebellion against the Dutch in early 1900s, while many Batak Toba eagerly joined the Indonesian army during the war of independence.

Traditional Batak Toba culture is famous for its devotion to sorcery and magic potions due to the strong past influence from the priestly clique (raja parbaringin). The most famous Batak Toba artistic products is the ancient magical scriptures (pustaha) and the carved magic potion containers made of wood or stone.

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19th-century Batak Toba magical script (pustaha)

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Batak Toba wooden magic potion container

Batak Toba people are known in Indonesia as very musical people. A Batak Toba song popular throughout Indonesia is “O Tana Batak!“, a joyful ode to the beauty of Batak Toba homeland. Traditonally, Batak Toba culture is rich with musical activities such as the gondang sabangunan ensemble and the tor-tor dance which functions as medium to call upon the blessings from good spirits.

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Gondang Sabangunan ensemble

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Tor-tor dance in front of traditional Batak Toba house

The Batak Toba people are mostly Christians due to the efforts of German Lutheran missionary Ludwig Ingwer Nommensen in the 1860s-1870s. Today, most Batak Toba belongs to the HKBP (Huria Kristen Batak Protestan), the Batak Protestant Church. However, there are some Batak Toba Muslims, those who live in the Asahan river valley near to the Malay-influenced eastern seaboard of North Sumatera. A famous Muslim Batak Toba clan is the Marpaung clan.

However, most Batak Toba remain attached to their indigenous traditions. There was some tension when the Batak Protestant Church issued an edict (Siasat Gereja) prohibiting spirit-related gondang sabangunan ensemble and the tor-tor dance. However, this attempt was unsuccessful due to strong resistance from the community.

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Traditional Batak Toba scarf (ulos)

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Batak Toba puppet-head (si gale-gale)

Most rural Batak Toba people engaged in rice-farming, exploiting the rich soil of their homeland. Many Batak Toba people has moved to all corner in Indonesia, where they engaged in all sorts of trade. There are a significant portion of Batak Toba people in the leadership of Indonesian military such as Lieutenant-General Adolf Sagala Rajagukguk (former Army chief-of-staff in 1980s) and Brigadier-General Rudolf Adolf Butar-Butar (former North Jakarta garrison chief). Many Batak Toba becomes prominent lawyers, such as the flamboyant Hotman Paris Hutapea. The HKBP is also the largest of the many Protestant denominations in Indonesia, hence the Batak Toba are prominent in the leadership of national Protestant and Christian organisations. For instance, a Batak Toba priest, Riyandi Hutasoit, is the chairman of PDS (Peace and Prosperity Party), the largest Christian political party in Indonesia.

Astromantic
WOW! I never knew all these Batak tribes… and before I thought that all Bataks were Christians! Thank you for the information!
purnomor
^ No worries
purnomor
Having met quite a few Batak people in the past month, I can say I admire their tenacity to succeed, their high levels of self-confidence, and their straight-forward attitude.
jiwa
Very nice topic. Thnx to topicstarter beerchug.gif

Lol!! As i read along, i see funny things about batak people. Some true, some not ( as far as i know ) laugh.gif . My surname is Simandjuntak. My grandfather was orang batak originating toba i believe..

Here’s a pic of my grandfather’s grandfather and grandmother
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That’s my 50 cents for pics.

I agree with most things to be honest. ( I see it happening in my family and by myself lol )

I/we don’t munch.gif dogmeat or blood ( @ least i sure as h*ll don’t!! ).

Please continue this thread and posting images .
i would also like to know more about batak. how many bataks are here on AF btw?
and ohw…, the ladies looking maniiiiiiis!

hormat and bless!-victory

Proud ASIAN
Batak also divided by family name or what known as Marga, there are many Merga in the Batak tribes such as Lubis, Nasution, Simanjuntak, Rangkuti, Pasaribu, and many others.
e_vaholic
my friend said that, people who has tampubolon as their marga…can’t marry silalahi’s. my friend said that..silalahi and tampubolon ara sibling..
true or not?
Proud ASIAN
That is not true, even the same Marga can marry since even if we have the same Marga we are not siblings. Its more than a family name, its like a clan name.
e_vaholic
well, the adat law of batak have a rule that a batak man can’t marry batak women whose marga is the same..
but now, many break that rule. there’s a changing of value within the adat people..
Proud ASIAN
As for me I never heard any law in the Batak tribe that mentioning not to marry another Batak person with the same Marga. Maybe you heard it from an incompetent person who maybe even don’t know what he is saying.
e_vaholic
^nah…i think you are the one who never heard that..
i also have known it from my batak friend….and i’m sure she’s competent…she’s from north sumatra (if i’m not mistaken she lives near lake toba)
she grew up there..and was raised by batak parents…she also lives there with her grandma,,,so i think she knows much bout batak’s values.
but..she says that..many bataks now break that rule…it’s not important anymore..long time ago, those who broke that rule were considered out from the marga..
Proud ASIAN
At least there will be other Batak peoples who will say the same rule in where I live but none of the Batak peoples I met ever saying not to marry the same Batak peoples with the same marga.
So she must be from a vey deferent Batak family.
e_vaholic
dunno…i’m not batak..
probably yea..she’s different batak
peculiar-alien
im Batak and yes indeed..we r not allowed to marry woman who has same marga with us…

Asal Mula Marga Batak

Pada jaman dahulu kala, hiduplah seorang pendekar
wanita, Butet namanya. Sebelum lulus dari Pandapotan
silat, ia harus menempuh ujian Nasution. Agar bisa
berkonsentrasi, dia memutuskan untuk menyepi ke
gunung dan berlatih.

Saat di perjalanan, Butet merasa lapar sehingga
memutuskan untuk mampir di Pasaribu setempat.
Beberapa pemuda tanggung yang lagi nonton sabung
ayam sambil Toruan, langsung Hutasoit-soit melihat
Butet yang seksi dan gayanya yang Hotma itu. Tapi
Butet tidak peduli, dia jalan Sitorus memasuki rumah
makan tanpa menanggapi, meskipun sebagai perempuan
yang ramah tapi ia tak gampang Hutagaol dengan
Sembiring orang.

Naibaho ikan gurame yang dibakar Sitanggang dengan
Batubara membuatnya semakin berselera. Apalagi
diberi sambal terasi dan Nababan yang hijau segar.
Setelah mengisi perut, Butet melanjutkan perjalanan.
Ternyata jalan ke sana berbukit-bukit. Kadang
Nainggolan, kadang Manurung. Di tepi jalan
dilihatnya banyak Pohan. Kebanyakan Pohan Tanjung.
Beberapa diantaranya ada yang Simatupang diterjang
badai semalam.

Begitu sampai di atas gunung, Butet berujar “Wow,
Siregar sekali hawanya” katanya, berbeda dengan
kampungnya yang Panggabean. Hembusan Perangin-angin
pun sepoi-sepoi menyejukkan, sambil diiringi Riama
musik dari mulutnya. Sejauh Simarmata memandang
warna hijau semuanya. Tidak ada tanah yang Girsang,
semuanya Singarimbun.

Tampak di seberang, lautan dan ikan Lumban-lumban.
Terbawa suasana,mulanya Butet ingin berenang. Tetapi
yang ditemukannya hanyalah bekas kolam Siringo-ringo
yang akan di-Hutauruk dengan Tambunan tanah.
Akhirnya, dia memutuskan untuk berjalan-jalan di
pinggir hutan saja,yang suasananya asri, meskipun
nggak ada Tiurma melambai kayak di pantai.

Sedang asik-asiknya menikmati keindahan alam,
tiba-tiba dia dikejutkan oleh seekor ular yang
sangat besar. “Sinaga!” teriaknya ketakutan sambil
lari Sitanggang-langgang. Celakanya, dia malah
terpeleset dari Tobing sehingga bibirnya Sihombing.
Karuan Butet menangis Marpaung-paung lantaran
kesakitan. Tetapi dia lantas ingat, bahwa sebagai
pendekar pantang untuk menangis. Dia harus Togar.
Maka, dengan menguat-nguatkan diri, dia pergi ke
tabib setempat untuk melakukan pengobatan.

Tabib tergopoh-gopoh Simangunsong di pintu untuk
menolongnya. Tabib bilang, bibirnya harus
di-Panjaitan.

“Hm, biayanya Pangaribuan” kata sang tabib setelah
memeriksa sejenak.
“Itu terlalu mahal. Bagaimana kalau Napitupulu
saja?” tawar si Butet.
“Napitupulu terlalu murah. Pandapotan saya kan
kecil”.
“Jangan begitulah. Masa’ tidak Siahaan melihat bibir
saya Sihombing begini? Apa saya mesti Sihotang,
bayar belakangan? Nggak mau kan ?”
“Baiklah, tapi pakai jarum yang Sitompul saja” sahut
sang mantri agak kesal.
“Cepatlah! Aku sudah hampir Munthe. Saragih sedikit
tidak apa-apalah”.

Malamnya, ketika sedang asik-asiknya berlatih sambil
makan kue Lubis kegemarannya, sayup-sayup dia
mendengar lolongan Rajagukguk. Dia Bonar-bonar
ketakutan. Apalagi ketika mendengar suara di
semak-semak dan tiba-tiba berbunyi “Poltak!” keras
sekali.

“Ada Situmorang?” tanya Butet sambil memegang
tongkat seperti stik Gultom erat-erat untuk
menghadapi Sagala kemungkinan.

Terdengar suara pelan, “Situmeang”. “Sialan, cuma
kucing…” desahnya lega. Padahal dia sudah sempat
berpikir yang
Silaen-laen. Selesai berlatih, Butet-pun istirahat.
Terkenang dia akan kisah orang tentang Hutabarat di
bawah Tobing pada jaman dulu dimana ada Simamora,
gajah Purba yang berbulu lebat. Keesokan harinya,
Butet kembali ke Pandapotan silatnya. Di depan ruang
ujian dia membaca tulisan: “Harahap tenang! Ada
ujian.

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