part5 Batak kepala Batu

kepala-batu/ admit it…hahahaha….

jason76

QUOTE
Well, I do know a few bataknese and some of them Batak Karo, and oh my goodness, I think they’re totally bosy person. My father’s little brother maried with one of them and she’s a bosy woman until today, she ruled our family like she’s the best. My mother just so passion. My father’s the oldest brother but she look like she owned my grandfather house and land so she rented them out to other people and she’s in charged of the money after my granpa died. Seems like nobody care about that even knows she’s from far far away. She just that person and also some of her families who came to my born town, one of her niece maried her own neighbour as her demaded (something behind that planned) and yeah, six month later the niece left the man so she can have half of the money ???????? What a planned.
Once more….. one of my friend (girl) maried with one and he’s got no job but he think he so clever in any way, he kept producing more babies but got no job but there’s a story, he put his 2 foots on top of the table and said to his own father in law “Your daughter’s lazy woman, hah? She had a job and pregnant for 4th child now since thair 6 year maried…. what is that?
By the way what ever, just seems like ……. specially one of them came to my born town and started selling drugs to some of teenagers, I heard (7 years ago) and touch them those things, and one girl got pregnant and he just left her….
And… oh so many Batak Karo’s I met full with those characters….

PS; They’re good of making more childs hehehehehe………..

wow, who let this cuckoo out of the cage? after reading this mess, it makes me want to confirm my generalization of minahasans as uneducated want to be white ignorant mofo’s. but we all know it’s just this one…. duh2.gif

furansizuka
Agree with you, J. It’s obvious that this “woman” generalizes peeps.
claudia
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claudia
I forgot to tell you that I’m not talking about you Jason, you may be a Bataknese generation but you have a great heart. Just in reality I met most of them and they’re so ……. I don’t know what to say…..

By the way her last name/surename’s GURU SINGA’ means The Lion’s Master. Just recognised her surename? No wonder…

claudia

QUOTE(jason76 @ Jul 12 2007, 08:52 PM) *
wow, who let this cuckoo out of the cage? after reading this mess, it makes me want to confirm my generalization of minahasans as uneducated want to be white ignorant mofo’s. but we all know it’s just this one…. duh2.gif

Well, I’m uneducated thats why. I don’t need to be a white ignorant mofo’s as I’m already have a white skin (not needed those whitening lotion) or I am now live here in western country so what’s fgot to do with you? I gues you don’t even want to admit your own batak karo characters (unless you’re not a batak karo). icon_neutral.gif

claudia
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furansizuka
I understand why Jason mad at you. You tend to be a chauvinist. You look down other ethnic and you give a generalized example. If I want to, I could tell you the story of my Minahasan neighbor who unemployed, uneducated, impregnanted a girl, kept producing babies and ended up in jail. Also I have a Minahasan friend who only party and party and very dumb at school. But what for? It’s just showing how narrow our mind.
claudia
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furansizuka
Being upset for a personal matter is not a reason to throw your upset towards other people who do nothing to you. When you suddenly came out with the degrading posting towards other ethnic, what do you expect us to react? A blog may suit you, but not a forum where people with different backgrounds and ethnics gathered.
claudia
What ever, all I know is I never going to win anything in anyway because I maybe born to be like this but I’m happy with it. Sometimes even know I’m right but the results always nil.
Why I said I never win or samekind? Because when I was at primary school I only once became number 1 & 2nd 2 times but the rest nothing. I past my exam and I’m the highest NEM at school that time for the last year and yes I proved some of the teachers whose always …. you know what I mean… thank for those whose organising for stopping those nepotirm and corruptions.
Also when I am at secondary school I never get to be number one the best I could do number 3 but I past my last exam at year nine and I’m also the highest NEM that time at school and those teachers cannot do anything about it its pure marks.

Yet, I will end this conversations as I never win and I knew it but I also knew.
Let those whose always jelous to others realise there’s a reality in life not what they said but what has happend.
I knew, specially you Furan there’s something you don’t like about me even know I do nothing to you but like what I said I am born to be like this, and that’s me.

lostnexposed
Okok..the point is..u were the one who started generalizing Batak peeps…so jason made the comment about how he wants to confirm his generalization of minahasans.

I therefore dont see how your comments differ from jason’s at all. it’s like the pot calling the kettle black.

claudia

QUOTE(jason76 @ Jul 12 2007, 08:52 PM) *
wow, who let this cuckoo out of the cage? after reading this mess, it makes me want to confirm my generalization of minahasans as uneducated want to be white ignorant mofo’s. but we all know it’s just this one…. duh2.gif

You should be a lawyer because you could halep those who made big mistake kept doing their things….. biggthumpup.gif

furansizuka
If you smart, you can see what’s the meaning behind the line, claud. Jason’s post is so obvious a reaction towards your previous post. Yes, you will never win with attitude like that.
claudia
Well, I guess the topis’s What do you know about batak?
I wrote what I knew but suddenly it’s something she/he didn’t expected.
I explain the reality of what I knew. That’s why don’t open a topic like this.

Ie: If you make a topic like this ‘What do you know about Indonesia? or What do you know about Anggun? Of course most people will have different opinion isn’t it.

claudia

QUOTE(furansizuka @ Jul 16 2007, 10:31 PM) *
If you smart, you can see what’s the meaning behind the line, claud. Jason’s post is so obvious a reaction towards your previous post. Yes, you will never win with attitude like that.

Except, you forget what I said before , I never win but in the reality after all I won most of the time. I mea, not really win but the truth and the reality better than what people tought.

You know what this is like saying, even know you know the answer but you pretended you don’t know & avoid also try to find a way to let her/him down.

furansizuka
The topic is about knowledge of Batak, not personal subjective opinion with hurt feeling. But cos you are the first one who started it, Jason was just made a come back. No hurt feeling for his opinion about you, then.
claudia
Oh, well, I see…
I haven’t meet any nice batak or Karo people so far, so maybe that’s why?
I may meet them oneday and wish those other will change their style perhaps oneday.

peculiar-alien
^we have curhat harian thread..maybe you can post your story there…its not “racist” thread dear….
tangawizi

QUOTE(claudia @ Jul 17 2007, 06:48 AM) *
Oh, well, I see…
I haven’t meet any nice batak or Karo people so far, so maybe that’s why?
I may meet them oneday and wish those other will change their style perhaps oneday.

hey claudia, it’s a truth that you have to be first a nice person yourself before you can attract nice people to you.. so next time you are in Sumatra and amongst Batak folks, try to set your general prejudice aside, and you will surely see that Bataks are no different from you.

What u say about Bataks from yr limited experience of Batak witch doctors is not an universal truth.

If u are nice, people are nice… that’s just a universal truth.
biggthumpup.gif

claudia
Well, I don’t think when you nice than other people are nice to you, some are and some aren’t.
What’s more some people took advantage because how nice you are, when it’s your turn made mistake or not nice to them they think you’re so nasty but when they made mistake, it’s just like everyday life.
tangawizi
so u made a mistake?
e_vaholic
umm..generalizing isn’t healthy. see person as individual, not as an ethnic not as a nation.
tante claudia, i think it’s just her traits..not all bataks are like that..you definitely hurted the bataks here..
jason76

and just wanted to say say HORAS!! AVVA GOOD DAY EVERYONE!!! PEACE!!!!

peculiar-alien
ye..just ignore her…racist is racist…
claudia
Well, I don’t think I’m racist myself I only talking about some btaknese people I knew who’re not nice people and of course there’s some elsewhere I haven’t meet yet are nice. This’s got nothing to do with racist. I can guarantee that most people I knew since when I was little, teenager until now most of them like me and if a few don’t, that’s because they jelous with me and I understand that happened more often in many comunity life but.

However, I’m so sorry if I hurt some people feelings here as I’m aslo knew how hard it’s to except when someone hurt you. While I’m not trying to hurt you in purpose but other has defenetely hurts me for many purposes.

Jason, let’s forgive each other. Cheers!

tangawizi
Claudia, your post has made me wonder if there is much tribal rivalry between the communities in Indonesia? Over here, in Kenya, there are over 40 tribes under the national flag, but there is so much tribal rivalry and clan rivalry etc… that it makes it very hard for the people to unite and cooperate on a day to day basis. When u read the politics here, it’s like a circus, everyone is voting according to their tribe, not according to meritocracy.
furansizuka
Let me answer your question, wizy. There’s not much tribal rivalry anymore in Indonesia. Tribal rivalry only happened in West Papua where less educated people from some tribes still do the war between tribes. But other ethnics in Indonesia are civilized, we mingle easly. I think this is not about tribal rivalry, but only narrow-minded people who still has primordialism idea in their head.
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peculiar-alien
^couldnt more agree with u Furry….pinter juga loe kadang2…
furansizuka
kadang2?? bukannya selalu?? shifty.gif
jiwa

QUOTE(claudia @ Jul 17 2007, 06:47 PM) *
Well, I don’t think I’m racist myself I only talking about some btaknese people I knew who’re not nice people and of course there’s some elsewhere I haven’t meet yet are nice. This’s got nothing to do with racist. I can guarantee that most people I knew since when I was little, teenager until now most of them like me and if a few don’t, that’s because they jelous with me and I understand that happened more often in many comunity life but.

However, I’m so sorry if I hurt some people feelings here as I’m aslo knew how hard it’s to except when someone hurt you. While I’m not trying to hurt you in purpose but other has defenetely hurts me for many purposes.

Jason, let’s forgive each other. Cheers!

Let’s just forgive this young lady and show we can be friendly too. She already apoligized.
Claudia, nice to meet you. I’m hoping you’ll reconsider your view on Bataks and get to knows us in a positive way thru AF beerchug.gif

jason76

QUOTE
Well, I don’t think I’m racist myself I only talking about some btaknese people I knew who’re not nice people and of course there’s some elsewhere I haven’t meet yet are nice. This’s got nothing to do with racist. I can guarantee that most people I knew since when I was little, teenager until now most of them like me and if a few don’t, that’s because they jelous with me and I understand that happened more often in many comunity life but.

However, I’m so sorry if I hurt some people feelings here as I’m aslo knew how hard it’s to except when someone hurt you. While I’m not trying to hurt you in purpose but other has defenetely hurts me for many purposes.

Jason, let’s forgive each other. Cheers!

I forgive you, just please try to be smarter in future with how you comment ok.

claudia
No prob, I think I was talking about stories rather comments but maybe between.
Cheers!
claudia

QUOTE(jiwa @ Jul 18 2007, 04:41 AM) *
Let’s just forgive this young lady and show we can be friendly too. She already apoligized.
Claudia, nice to meet you. I’m hoping you’ll reconsider your view on Bataks and get to knows us in a positive way thru AF beerchug.gif

Good on you Jiwa!
Nice to meet you too….
How’s Netherlands? Wish you enjoy this warm spring/summer season as it’s winter here.
By the way, I’ve a few relatives and friends there, I just wonder if you know them.
In ani case, have you even been to the University of Twente?

Aufwiedersehen!

peculiar-alien
isnt aufwiedersehn a deutch/germany?
jiwa

QUOTE(claudia @ Jul 18 2007, 06:34 PM) *
Good on you Jiwa!
Nice to meet you too….
How’s Netherlands? Wish you enjoy this warm spring/summer season as it’s winter here.
By the way, I’ve a few relatives and friends there, I just wonder if you know them.
In ani case, have you even been to the University of Twente?

Aufwiedersehen!

The weather varies from thunder to hot to cold and then to rain. You never know here in the Netherlands. one day it’s hot and the next day there’s thunder.
I have not been to the University of Twente. Could be that i know your relatives i’m not sure though.

And Peccy’s right. Aufwiedersehen is German biggthumpup.gif . In dutch you can say: ‘Tot ziens’ or ‘Fijne dag nog’

On topic:

Why are Karo not batak confused.gif?

furansizuka
Well, according to themselves and the research made by a scientist from Germany/England (I don’t remember), Karo people is not part of Batak ethnic but it stands alone like Gayo ethnic in Aceh province. And in fact, Karo ethnic is related to Gayo ethnic/part of Gayo. Their language is very similar compare to Batak language. The scientist said long long time ago some Gayo peeps traveled to North Sumatra and then stayed in high land that’s now called as Tanah Tinggi Karo (Karo Highland).
sensbane
“whimsical, I never thought anything related to indonesia could produce such splendid dialogs, especially when it comes to bataknese. all my years on the net filled with the presupposition that indonesian can’t do proper dialog, therefore can’t satisfy my needs on proper exchanges of toughts. but this wil do… from bataknese to pork to scientific discovery to the surprisingly satisfying facts, figures, and statistics. i thought that indonesian have been strictly preoccupied with sinetrons, screening movies without credits, producing and buying pirated materials, watching teenage movies, listening to cheap pop songs filled with utterly foolish love lyrics.”

….. how’s that for generalization, i can create the same narrow minded opinion on human: a nigh meaningless creature that possesses a highly despicable quality.

glad to see this forum, i am a bataknese my self, and i dare say that typicality of bataknese or any other “group” of human that walks the earth, whatever they are called, by whatever reason of formation, has been deminished day after day. whether that’s a good thing or bad is fully dependent by your standing. one thing i know is that this kind of dialog would keep one’s feet on the ground and one’s head above the clouds, and that’s a good position to make even a slightest assumption tolerable to our fellow human.

description:
once i was quite humiliated by my ancestry, all the quality of bataknese that all of you have found in this forum are true, and being the insider i was overwhelmed by the situation i encountered: loud meaningles sounds, persistency that is illogical and usually ended up in complete chaotic carnage, “subjective objectivity”, and the utterly misconception of the meaning of success (when bataknese became a lawyer, bravery is the value that they would consider as virtue, the ensuing result: the braver you are the richer you’ll get. indeed we’ll make good lawyers). yes, indeed we can sing, but we sing strictly through our hearts content, therefore the ears of the listeners would never be listed as the object of consideration. you’d have to consider your self ultimately lucky to know a bataknese that “can” sing, since the ones who “don’t know” that they can’t sing would sing as loudly as the ones who can, and they are not familiar with the words “critique” or “i beg of you not to sing at 3 am”.

so i pulled myself out, and consider my self as merely human (ultimately human, since i also pulled my self out of being indonesian, out of being a christian, out of being a part of intelectuals species called mahasiswa/godly student, out of male sex, out of youngsters, out of any statistics… i’ve tried to be out of anything that would put my self in to any typicallity. i am considering to be out of human concerning the “despicability” thing) and i indulged in it.

but those things don’t get me anywhere, even a prospective warlord has to know his enemy before running crotch-front to the battlefield. knowledge is everything, and some knowledge have been known to be developed from wrong conceptions, prove of our ever intrepid quality. as for now i’ve been trying to accept the facts that constitute of what i am, one of those facts is my ancestry, like it or not, that’s a piece of puzzle that i ought to have to decide my humanity.

…actually, all i want to say is: salam kenal… good tidings to all of you

lostnexposed

QUOTE(sensbane @ Jul 19 2007, 09:55 AM) *
description:
once i was quite humiliated by my ancestry, all the quality of bataknese that all of you have found in this forum are true, and being the insider i was overwhelmed by the situation i encountered: loud meaningles sounds, persistency that is illogical and usually ended up in complete chaotic carnage, “subjective objectivity”, and the utterly misconception of the meaning of success (when bataknese became a lawyer, bravery is the value that they would consider as virtue, the ensuing result: the braver you are the richer you’ll get. indeed we’ll make good lawyers). yes, indeed we can sing, but we sing strictly through our hearts content, therefore the ears of the listeners would never be listed as the object of consideration. you’d have to consider your self ultimately lucky to know a bataknese that “can” sing, since the ones who “don’t know” that they can’t sing would sing as loudly as the ones who can, and they are not familiar with the words “critique” or “i beg of you not to sing at 3 am”.

…actually, all i want to say is: salam kenal… good tidings to all of you

Hahaha..that comment made me laugh..
I think its because other cultures always have this idea that “all bataks can sing well”…the bataks hearing this, then feel proud of themselves…and then the people who Can’t sing..think that they Can sing because of this idea…but well..Most bataks can sing well…my brother however is like completely tone death when it comes to singing..and I remember one day he came up to me and he was ‘singing’ something to me and was asking me if I knew what the title and the singer was cause he liked this song…..and i was just like “WTF is that song?? I’ve never heard it b4 in my life” and then later on, the song came on MTV and he was like “thats the song I was talking about”..and I know the song..I love the song….but he sang it soo out of tuned and monotone that I couldnt figure out what the hell it was.

ANyways..welcome to the forum!!! beerchug.gif

another Batak to add on…whats the count now? like 5 or 6?

jiwa
beerchug.gif Welcome sensbane! Hope you’ll have a great time here.

Btw, i just found a document about Batak history. I haven’t read it yet, i will later on 2nite. Maybe interesting read.

Introduction to the material:

This paper surveys the little that we do know from external sources about Batak History before 1850, and points to some promising ways ahead. It suggests that pride in the Batak past might not need to centre on some surrogate for statehood, but rather might stress the success of managing a complex society without bureaucracy.

Is there a Batak history?

source:http://www.ari.nus.edu.sg/publication_deta…mp;pubtypeid=WP

tangawizi

QUOTE(sensbane @ Jul 19 2007, 04:55 PM) *
“whimsical, I never thought anything related to indonesia could produce such splendid dialogs, especially when it comes to bataknese. all my years on the net filled with the presupposition that indonesian can’t do proper dialog, therefore can’t satisfy my needs on proper exchanges of toughts. but this wil do… from bataknese to pork to scientific discovery to the surprisingly satisfying facts, figures, and statistics. i thought that indonesian have been strictly preoccupied with sinetrons, screening movies without credits, producing and buying pirated materials, watching teenage movies, listening to cheap pop songs filled with utterly foolish love lyrics.”

….. how’s that for generalization, i can create the same narrow minded opinion on human: a nigh meaningless creature that possesses a highly despicable quality.

glad to see this forum, i am a bataknese my self, and i dare say that typicality of bataknese or any other “group” of human that walks the earth, whatever they are called, by whatever reason of formation, has been deminished day after day. whether that’s a good thing or bad is fully dependent by your standing. one thing i know is that this kind of dialog would keep one’s feet on the ground and one’s head above the clouds, and that’s a good position to make even a slightest assumption tolerable to our fellow human.

description:
once i was quite humiliated by my ancestry, all the quality of bataknese that all of you have found in this forum are true, and being the insider i was overwhelmed by the situation i encountered: loud meaningles sounds, persistency that is illogical and usually ended up in complete chaotic carnage, “subjective objectivity”, and the utterly misconception of the meaning of success (when bataknese became a lawyer, bravery is the value that they would consider as virtue, the ensuing result: the braver you are the richer you’ll get. indeed we’ll make good lawyers). yes, indeed we can sing, but we sing strictly through our hearts content, therefore the ears of the listeners would never be listed as the object of consideration. you’d have to consider your self ultimately lucky to know a bataknese that “can” sing, since the ones who “don’t know” that they can’t sing would sing as loudly as the ones who can, and they are not familiar with the words “critique” or “i beg of you not to sing at 3 am”.

so i pulled myself out, and consider my self as merely human (ultimately human, since i also pulled my self out of being indonesian, out of being a christian, out of being a part of intelectuals species called mahasiswa/godly student, out of male sex, out of youngsters, out of any statistics… i’ve tried to be out of anything that would put my self in to any typicallity. i am considering to be out of human concerning the “despicability” thing) and i indulged in it.

but those things don’t get me anywhere, even a prospective warlord has to know his enemy before running crotch-front to the battlefield. knowledge is everything, and some knowledge have been known to be developed from wrong conceptions, prove of our ever intrepid quality. as for now i’ve been trying to accept the facts that constitute of what i am, one of those facts is my ancestry, like it or not, that’s a piece of puzzle that i ought to have to decide my humanity.

…actually, all i want to say is: salam kenal… good tidings to all of you

Hahaha… where are the splendid dialogues??? You are a pretty good orator, hahaha….

even a prospective warlord has to know his enemy before running crotch-front to the battlefield. knowledge is everything, and some knowledge have been known to be developed from wrong conceptions, prove of our ever intrepid quality. as for now i’ve been trying to accept the facts that constitute of what i am, one of those facts is my ancestry, like it or not, that’s a piece of puzzle that i ought to have to decide my humanity.

Impressive stuff!!!! biggthumpup.gif biggthumpup.gif

Welcome to AF Indochat! have a nice stay! beerchug.gif

sensbane

QUOTE(lostnexposed @ Jul 19 2007, 10:34 AM) *
Hahaha..that comment made me laugh..
I think its because other cultures always have this idea that “all bataks can sing well”…the bataks hearing this, then feel proud of themselves…and then the people who Can’t sing..think that they Can sing because of this idea…but well..Most bataks can sing well…my brother however is like completely tone death when it comes to singing..and I remember one day he came up to me and he was ‘singing’ something to me and was asking me if I knew what the title and the singer was cause he liked this song…..and i was just like “WTF is that song?? I’ve never heard it b4 in my life” and then later on, the song came on MTV and he was like “thats the song I was talking about”..and I know the song..I love the song….but he sang it soo out of tuned and monotone that I couldnt figure out what the hell it was.

ANyways..welcome to the forum!!! beerchug.gif

another Batak to add on…whats the count now? like 5 or 6?

laugh.gif yeah, recurring hapenstance now and again, i know, your brother is part of the demography, by the way, dont count, just drink beerchug.gif

QUOTE(jiwa @ Jul 19 2007, 11:41 AM) *

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